Simviation Forum - Mary Rose

Oct 11^th, 2006 at 8:11am

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To think it is 24 years ago today she finally returned to the surface Shocked

I remember watching it on TV 8)

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Reply #1 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 10:19am

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To think it is 24 years ago today she finally returned to the surface Shocked

I remember watching it on TV 8)

Me too. It was the only English lesson that I ever had, that ended up being a history lesson. Any excuse to watch TV and not do comprehension.

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Reply #2 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 10:25am

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Has anyone been to see it at all? I havn't but I know it's nothing like as impressive as the Vasa in Stockholm. I think they're also getting in a bit of a flap about it because the stuff they've been spraying on it for the last 24 years to preserve it might actually in the long run end up destroying it. Tongue

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Reply #3 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 11:41am

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Has anyone been to see it at all?

I visited Portsmouth dockyard last year but decided against it. The Trafalgar Day celebration would not have been the ideal time. I've been told it's not possible to see much anyway.

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I think they're also getting in a bit of a flap about it because the stuff they've been spraying on it for the last 24 years to preserve it might actually in the long run end up destroying it.

Maybe it would have been better to leave the old gal where she was. I remember thinking that when they first raised her.

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Reply #4 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 11:52am

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I saw it a couple of years ago as the missus wanted to go and see it...

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Reply #5 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 11:57am

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So was it worth seeing?

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Reply #6 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 12:37pm

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I saw it a couple of years ago as the missus wanted to go and see it...

Your wife was just the excuse Ozzy, you are just a closet sailor boy at heart Grin

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Reply #7 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 1:27pm

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It was worth seeing but I thought some of the other stuff at Portsmouth as better. My wife is a history buff...
Oh and I'm not one of those nancy bellbottom wearing weirdos! My uncle was one Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 1:38pm

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My uncle was one Roll Eyes

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By marriage! We don't talk about him. I also have one ex-RAF by marriage. The blood relatives were all Army or RM. Long line of ground pounders in my clan Grin

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Reply #10 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 5:33pm

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By marriage! We don't talk about him.

That was a close call then. Shocked

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Reply #11 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 5:36am

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i recall going to a Mary Rose exhibition in Australia several years ago seeing some of the artifacts retrieved from it - when you look at the shape of the ship, its no wonder it sunk!

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Reply #12 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 10:39am

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i recall going to a Mary Rose exhibition in Australia several years ago seeing some of the artifacts retrieved from it - when you look at the shape of the ship, its no wonder it sunk!

You say that but the ship only sank because she was dangerously overloaded and while turning in a reasonable swell her lower gunports (that were open at the time) dipped under the water and she flooded.

Unlike the Vasa, that sank after less than half a mile on her maiden voyage the Mary Rose had sailed before, it was just an unfortunate sequence of events that caused her to sink.

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Reply #13 - Oct 16^th, 2006 at 10:50am

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when you look at the shape of the ship, its no wonder it sunk!

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Mary Rose had a long career and was frequently in battle against the French. On 10 August 1512 she was part of an English force that attacked the French fleet at Brest. Mary Rose crippled the enemy flagship, bringing down her mast and causing 300 casualties. This was possibly the first battle in the Channel when ships fired their heavy guns through gun ports.

The sinking of the Mary Rose is the event for which the ship is best known. On 19 July 1545 Mary Rose was part of an English fleet that sailed out of Portsmouth to engage the French. She fired a broadside at the enemy and was turning to fire the other broadside when water flooded into her open gun ports and the ship suddenly capsized in full view of Henry VIII watching from the shore. It is not certain what caused Mary Rose to capsize; she was overloaded with extra soldiers and may have been caught by a gust of wind, which made the ship heel over.

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Reply #14 - Oct 19^th, 2006 at 5:18pm

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@Hagar: tipping over because of wrong cannon postioioning was a common way to lose a ship in that age.

Here in holland they are building a replica of the Man-O-War 'De Zeven Provincien'. It is almost twice as wide as the 'Batavia' that they built before. Only reason for that is to keep the whole thing stable enough to fire a full broadside shot

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Reply #15 - Oct 20^th, 2006 at 8:31am

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@Hagar: tipping over because of wrong cannon postioioning was a common way to lose a ship in that age.

Here in holland they are building a replica of the Man-O-War 'De Zeven Provincien'. It is almost twice as wide as the 'Batavia' that they built before. Only reason for that is to keep the whole thing stable enough to fire a full broadside shot

True as that may be many still underestimate just how wide ships were in those days. The replica of the Golden Hind is a classic case of getting it wrong and they built her far to narrow so the only way to make her safe was to add large blisters on each side to increase the beam on the waterline.

The Vasa is a classic case of them getting it wrong back in the day. The Swedes decided they wanted a two decker so they just took a single decker they were building and added more two it. She was far to narrow and underballasted and top heavy so when she sailed for the first time in light airs a puff of wind pushed her over and she kept on going.

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Reply #16 - Oct 23^rd, 2006 at 3:09am

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True as that may be many still underestimate just how wide ships were in those days. The replica of the Golden Hind is a classic case of getting it wrong and they built her far to narrow so the only way to make her safe was to add large blisters on each side to increase the beam on the waterline.

Did they get the empty weight right? Often the operational empty weight is a lot more than what you calculate from the building logs.

With the Batavia they discovered that the lead balls in the lower hull were just enough to keep the thing from falling over in port. These ships were meant to be sailed fully loaded or not at all.

When they did sail it to Australia, they just loaded a few tonnes of bricks and other stuff to make it seaworthy

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Reply #17 - Oct 23^rd, 2006 at 7:48am

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Did they get the empty weight right? Often the operational empty weight is a lot more than what you calculate from the building logs.

With the Batavia they discovered that the lead balls in the lower hull were just enough to keep the thing from falling over in port. These ships were meant to be sailed fully loaded or not at all.

When they did sail it to Australia, they just loaded a few tonnes of bricks and other stuff to make it seaworthy

They didn't get anything right and the ship was a danger to all those on it and around it.

Take another ship where they made a mess of designing her, the Matthew, similar to the Golden Hind when she crossed the atlantic she was for long periods of time rolling through more than 90 degree's. Now say what you like, but that is very, very wrong.

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