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Reply #15 - Oct 20^th, 2006 at 8:31am

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@Hagar: tipping over because of wrong cannon postioioning was a common way to lose a ship in that age.

Here in holland they are building a replica of the Man-O-War 'De Zeven Provincien'. It is almost twice as wide as the 'Batavia' that they built before. Only reason for that is to keep the whole thing stable enough to fire a full broadside shot

True as that may be many still underestimate just how wide ships were in those days. The replica of the Golden Hind is a classic case of getting it wrong and they built her far to narrow so the only way to make her safe was to add large blisters on each side to increase the beam on the waterline.

The Vasa is a classic case of them getting it wrong back in the day. The Swedes decided they wanted a two decker so they just took a single decker they were building and added more two it. She was far to narrow and underballasted and top heavy so when she sailed for the first time in light airs a puff of wind pushed her over and she kept on going.

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Reply #16 - Oct 23^rd, 2006 at 3:09am

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True as that may be many still underestimate just how wide ships were in those days. The replica of the Golden Hind is a classic case of getting it wrong and they built her far to narrow so the only way to make her safe was to add large blisters on each side to increase the beam on the waterline.

Did they get the empty weight right? Often the operational empty weight is a lot more than what you calculate from the building logs.

With the Batavia they discovered that the lead balls in the lower hull were just enough to keep the thing from falling over in port. These ships were meant to be sailed fully loaded or not at all.

When they did sail it to Australia, they just loaded a few tonnes of bricks and other stuff to make it seaworthy

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Reply #17 - Oct 23^rd, 2006 at 7:48am

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Did they get the empty weight right? Often the operational empty weight is a lot more than what you calculate from the building logs.

With the Batavia they discovered that the lead balls in the lower hull were just enough to keep the thing from falling over in port. These ships were meant to be sailed fully loaded or not at all.

When they did sail it to Australia, they just loaded a few tonnes of bricks and other stuff to make it seaworthy

They didn't get anything right and the ship was a danger to all those on it and around it.

Take another ship where they made a mess of designing her, the Matthew, similar to the Golden Hind when she crossed the atlantic she was for long periods of time rolling through more than 90 degree's. Now say what you like, but that is very, very wrong.

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