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Reply #45 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 12:58pm

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That means that instead of buying a nice new, shiny graphics card suitable to run FSX.....
..I've now got to blow £266* on ANOTHER copy of Win XP Pro, (with SP 2 included) from a slimy computer software man with shifty eyes...

Paul,

I think the new copy of XP is the least of your worries. From what I've seen on various forums.... don;t biother with just a card unless your rig is already THE top end available now.

You likely will not be happy with the performance otherwise.

best,

...............john

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Reply #46 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 1:31pm

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Paul,

I think the new copy of XP is the least of your worries. From what I've seen on various forums.... don't bother with just a card unless your rig is already THE top end available now.

You likely will not be happy with the performance otherwise.

best,

...............john

Hi John...!

Never mind, no problem with buying FSX, I was just concerned if it would not install without SP2 being in place.... Cry

...!

I would happily have purchased it, if it was capable of running on my SP1, but you have confirmed that that idea is a definite no-no... Cry

...!

So...

A new version of Win XP Pro SP2 retail version is really out of the question because of its high cost in England, (£260-£280+), so it looks like continuing with my existing OEM version of Win XP Pro SP1, and my excellent FS 2004 with all its lovely add-ons.... Grin

...!
(...and I can re-install my Win XP Pro as many times as I like)...!

By the way, I still can't figure out why a SP2 (security upgrade!) would affect the installation and running of an ordinary computer game like FSX...??
As far as I can remember, it didn't affect the installation and running of FS 2002 or FS 2004, so what is so different with FSX, I wonder..?
...answers on a postcard, please... Wink

...!

Paul...Why does Bill give us all these problems?... Cry

...!

LOL... Grin

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Reply #47 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 2:12pm

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...mmm.....continuing with SP1 is probably not a very good idea.............think of all those security "holes" that Mr Gates has been kindly filling with updates but which he has decided in his ultimate wisdom not to plug anymore! ....doesn't that bother you Fozz my old?

.......seeing that there are trillions of nasty hackers trying to compromise our PCs every day is the one reason I have moved on................commoner Shocked

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Reply #48 - Oct 11^th, 2006 at 6:10pm

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...mmm.....continuing with SP1 is probably not a very good idea.............think of all those security "holes" that Mr Gates has been kindly filling with updates but which he has decided in his ultimate wisdom not to plug anymore! ....doesn't that bother you Fozz my old?

.......seeing that there are trillions of nasty hackers trying to compromise our PCs every day is the one reason I have moved on................commoner Shocked

Comm....

...!

...you are a little darlin', me ol' Chum... Grin

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Got your E-Mail with the offer of £280 to purchase Mr Bill's Windows XP Pro with the lovely Service Pack2 included.... Kiss

...!

I will no longer need my trusty AVG anti-virus program which has served me well for many years, (with its daily upgrades), and I can forget Spybot, Spyware Blaster, etc, which always protected me from those nasty Adware and Trojan folks....
...instead, I can lighten your wallet by transferring its contents to the nice Mr. Bill for a genuine, retail copy of Win XP Pro, and therefore save Microsoft International from financial disaster and the collapse of the American economy... 8)...!
...he will be pleased... Wink

...!

Thank you, Comm....

In the meantime I will fly my little FS 2004 Cessna 152 around sunny California with the help of Service Pack 1 tucked securely in my map pocket....
...cool, or what...8)...!

Paul....G-BPLF and chain.... 8)...!

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Reply #49 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 2:04am

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I will no longer need my trusty AVG anti-virus program which has served me well for many years, (with its daily upgrades), and I can forget Spybot, Spyware Blaster, etc, which always protected me from those nasty Adware and Trojan folks....
...instead,

instead..... forget Vista unless you are American!! Us Europeans may not see it at all!! For reasons said in my earlier post! In the meantime it's perfectly possible to obtain a UK version of XP Pro at a reasonable price and thereafter upgrade it if you wish. You don't need to spend pots of money!!
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Reply #50 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 2:24am

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In the meantime I will be flying my little FS 2004 Cessna 152 around sunny California with the help of Service Pack 1 tucked securely in my map pocket....
...cool, or what...8)...!

Paul....G-BPLF and chain.... 8)...!

....LOL......and I'll be doing a bit of flour bombing in my brand new Air Creation Trike ultralight ...in the Carribean...........Hey Ho.....doesn't life get tedious!................commoner;D

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Reply #51 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 11:59am

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By the way, I still can't figure out why a SP2 (security upgrade!) would affect the installation and running of an ordinary computer game like FSX...??
As far as I can remember, it didn't affect the installation and running of FS 2002 or FS 2004, so what is so different with FSX, I wonder..?
...answers on a postcard, please... Wink

...!

The "security upgrade" parts of SP2 have absolutely nothing to do with FSX. There's plethora other "fiddly bits" in SP2 that FSX needs to access for various reasons, none of which have diddly-squat to do with "security."

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Reply #52 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 12:49pm

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The "security upgrade" parts of SP2 have absolutely nothing to do with FSX. There's plethora other "fiddly bits" in SP2 that FSX needs to access for various reasons, none of which have diddly-squat to do with "security."

..a study of Microdoft's SP 2 list of upgrades all refer to Security improvements...
...no mention of "Diddly-Squat" type fiddly bits and pieces to the original Win XP and SP 1 to improve overall efficiency, game play, etc... Wink

...!

Paul.... Wink

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Reply #53 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 2:18pm

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Fozzer..you dissapoint me... £260 for windows xp pro!!! Shocked

try £100* from : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Operating_Systems.html

deliverys around £5-£12 depending on how fast you want it.
saving you £150 Wink

also for fsx: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000GBPLYI/ref=olp_product_details/026-725773...

£45 not £60 like game, for delivery by saturday its £9 extra for delivery

in total (should have both by saturday) itll cost you around: £170 (still less than xp pro from wherever you were getting it Wink

) (if you shop aroud you can save around £5 on amazons price for fsx deluxe...although im not sure about delivery times, use froogle to find the best deals

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*includes sp2 Cheesy

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Reply #54 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 2:27pm

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Fozzer..you dissapoint me... £260 for windows xp pro!!! Shocked

try £100* from : http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Operating_Systems.html

deliverys around £5-£12 depending on how fast you want it.
saving you £150 Wink

That's all very well but the point is he already has XP Pro. Why should he have to buy another copy just to run a piece of software that might not run very well on his PC anyway?

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Reply #55 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 2:48pm

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That's all very well but the point is he already has XP Pro. Why should he have to buy another copy just to run a piece of software that might not run very well on his PC anyway?

yeah i didn't think about that Roll Eyes

might not...dont you mean WONT (its flight sim of course it wont run well Wink

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Reply #56 - Oct 12^th, 2006 at 4:10pm

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Fozz's copy of XP pro is oem. most oem copies in Uk won't allow one to upgrade the system. It is designed so that you have to go and buy a new system every time.That's why it's best to kill it install a pucker stand alone version easily obtained for well under £100. Then Fozz would be free to upgrade to SP2 and / or his system at his leisure
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