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Sep 16th, 2006 at 4:05pm

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I won't have as much time for long flights in FS, (though I will find some room Wink) and I wanted to know what type of sim to get. There are loads out there - should I go for CFS3 or something else?
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 16th, 2006 at 5:46pm

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I like CFS3.

I have CFS2 as well, but out of the box CFS3 looks better (in my opinion)

Some people complain that CFS3 has a 'fish-eye' perspective when you zoom in on the spot and chase views, which is true, but I think the textures of the aircraft are far superior to CFS2.

I haven't done any CFS2 online, but I know from experience that the CFS3 online experience can be a little dubious, with planes defying the laws of physics. CFS2 apparently does not suffer the same problems. It's still fun though.

Also if you are UK based then it's a bit more 'local' than the Pacific standard missions on CFS2. However it doesn't have a 'world map'......CFS2 can currently have missions made for any part of the world. As of yet CFS3 only has northern Europe (which doesn't include Scotland unfortunately, sorry Ben  Sad )

However probably the most enticing thing about CFS3 is the impending MAW release:

http://www.medairwar.com/

And there are some truly sublime creations at Avhistory:

http://www.avhistory.org/

Not least of which is the recently updated Molly II

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And of course the Zuyax MkIX and MKXIV spitfires.......wonderful machines.......

Get it Ben, it's worth the money  Smiley
 
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Reply #2 - Sep 16th, 2006 at 7:43pm

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You can Buy CFS2 and CFS3 right here if you want:




1.http://yhst-12000246778232.stores.yahoo.net/aircombatgames.html


There are other places you can Buy this great sims.

James007
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Reply #3 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 6:10am

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Although I do agree CFS3 is a nice looking sim, CFS2 is much better. Whoever designed the stock Spitfire models for CFS3 should be shot Wink Smiley
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 7:44am

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CFS3 does it for me. After getting CFS3 I didn't really go back to CFS2 much and when MAW is released... Cheesy
 

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Reply #5 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 7:46am

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Oh yeah, and the scenery in CFS3 is better than I think all the other MS sims. Obviously they didn't bother to check what sort of trees grew in England but I can fly around Cornwall and all the major bumps and dips are there in the landscape.
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 1:13pm

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Buy them both and upgrade them and you will enjoy them more.

They are both great Sims in their own terms.



Thats just my opinion



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Reply #7 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 2:04pm

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and when MAW is released... Cheesy

Yes, when? Wink
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 2:33pm

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Yes, when? Wink

That question goes with the "Is there a god?" set of questions. Grin
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 5:14pm

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That question goes with the "Is there a god?" set of questions. Grin


The natives are getting restless, huh?

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Reply #10 - Sep 18th, 2006 at 5:20pm

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The natives are getting restless, huh?

Wink


It's all right for you Mathias  Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Sep 19th, 2006 at 1:36pm

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If you 'd want a good Combat flightsim then i 'd go for IL-2 Sturmovik series if i were you, depends on if you want to fly online, then i would get the whole package(:Forgotten battles, Pacific Fighters, Aces expansion). If not then go for Forgotten Battles or Pacfic fighters alone.

Here's a website with some relevant flying information, mind you that the FM has been updated serval times.

http://www.il2flying.com/
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 19th, 2006 at 5:31pm

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If you 'd want a good Combat flightsim then i 'd go for IL-2 Sturmovik series if i were you, depends on if you want to fly online, then i would get the whole package(:Forgotten battles, Pacific Fighters, Aces expansion). If not then go for Forgotten Battles or Pacfic fighters alone. 

Here's a website with some relevant flying information, mind you that the FM has been updated serval times.


Excuse me while I laugh at that post. Ha ha ha.
 

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Reply #13 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 7:25am

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And why is that?
 
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Reply #14 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 10:16am

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And why is that?

You've posted in a CFS3 dedicated forum. Everyone here has tried IL2 and all that goes with it and has rejected it. Do you really expect us to go "Hang on a minute, he has a point there!"
 

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Reply #15 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 10:20am

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And why is that?


You have already posted one of the answers.

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mind you that the FM has been updated serval times.




 
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Reply #16 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 1:42pm

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Yes, always an improvement, in my oppinion the first FM was already better then the CFS  flight engine.
 
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Reply #17 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 1:45pm

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And by what experience have you to compare the flight models with? Smiley
 

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Reply #18 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 4:37pm

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From my own flying on both of the sims, reading some articles on how those planes work back on those days, and a WWII Hurricane pilot from the 151th wing in vienna.
 
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Reply #19 - Sep 20th, 2006 at 8:18pm

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From my own flying on both of the sims, reading some articles on how those planes work back on those days, and a WWII Hurricane pilot from the 151th wing in vienna.


I guess it must be a fact then if you say so.  Grin

Problem is which of the 20 or so versions is the one since there is no, nada, zip linier progression from one FM to another?  The flight models just randomly jump around based on who was whining the loudest about there favorite planes on-line performance.Roll Eyes

 
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Reply #20 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 7:10am

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Thats your oppinion.
 
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Reply #21 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 7:22am

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And thats one opinion to take very seriously in this game I find. Tongue
 

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Reply #22 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 1:25pm

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Expect heavy flak.

IL-2 is loved by those whos systems cant handle CFS3.
I must admit it is a great arcade game, but in IL-2, can I fly bombers as well as fighters and operate the turrets and bombardier positions ? ...No. Are there lots of aircraft, ships and scenery models available that I can download and add to it ?...No...Well that's a shame.

It's not the first time a dedicated IL-2'er has used this forum to take a knock at our FLIGHT SIM and likely wont be the last....Pity.
 

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Reply #23 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 8:22pm

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I’m more a meat and potatoes man, so let’s look at the facts as relating to Combat Sims:

CFS3 default FM = poor, reason is the specific FM developer was allocated only one hour per aircraft and doesn’t have the tools most of the 3rd party developers do. In fact they were amazed at what we had. Not all tables and parameters are used. The FSX FM are developed the same way.

IL-2 = poor quality as a simulation. Reason, uses a simplified force model, the developer is biased and has blatantly lied and used strong-arm tactics against anyone that dares say different. Published third party testing shows all aircraft do not meet performance criteria and have some UFO like qualities. Developer also thinks making aircraft very hard to fly makes them very accurate. Throws out physics in favor of unreliable anecdotal evidence and opinion by unknown and unverifiable sources.

Shockwave Add’ons = poor, reason, doesn’t have a clue on how the MS parameters work. Thinks lying and saying they have a “certification” system magically makes the FM parameters accurate. Few aircraft meet performance criteria. Also thinks making aircraft very hard to fly makes them very accurate. Throws out physics in favor of unreliable anecdotal evidence and opinion by unknown and unverifiable sources. Makes use of arcade parameters and tables to fudge performance and stability.

AvHistory 2.xx = fair, reason, followed MS lead for how the MS 6DOF parameters work. Most use a seed aircraft for stability derivatives. All aircraft meet performance criteria. Aircraft overly easy to fly.

AvHistory 4.0 (shameless plug) = above excellent, Meets all performance and stability criteria. Fully uses all MS tables and parameters of the aircraft (may be the first to do this). Designed using physics by USAF DATCOM and Dr Roskam and AvHistory Team. Relies on actual measurements of the aircraft and flight test data instead of unreliable anecdotal evidence. All stability and performance data used included with each aircraft for user review. Users are encouraged to participate in the process to improve the accuracy. Only one to meet the “as real as it gets” slogan and comes closest to simulating WW2 aircraft. Also, contains fixes to errors in MS flight equations. Quality because of participation in the group that decoded the files used to define aircraft in MS FS/CFS.
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 25th, 2006 at 3:43pm

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Thanks for the information. 8) I'll probably go for a CFS2 or 3 rather than than any of the other versions.
 

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Reply #25 - Sep 30th, 2006 at 5:50pm

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i never took a knock at CFS, read again.
I'd hardly call it an arcade game, Also ive been told that they used fixed crosshairs in CFS, not sure bout that tough.

Well. they didnt allow costum content in IL-2 wich is quite understandable in a Combat FS, but that is just my view.

Gregory, nice post, i guess that puts it quite good. Lets hope someday someone finds enough time to bring us a accurate combat FS.
 
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Reply #26 - Oct 6th, 2006 at 5:34pm

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<pulls up chair and grabs popcorn>

This is interesting!

BTW, my worthless $.02.  I own Il-2 and Pacific Fighters.  They didn't last long on my HD.
 

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