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What would be a good FIRST car? ( in America ) (Read 1225 times)
Sep 16
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HI! Well, I passed the drivers ED test....
28/30
man, I am good, i passed my BOATING test with a 95/100
what will my flying test will be? lol
anyways....
I might be geting a car like when I turn 16 ( may 21st ) but I like to plan ahead....
I am thinking of either a Honda Prelude, or Honda Civic ( Coupe )
The purpose of those cars for me is that they are small and they look good with lambo doors. But I'd like to recieve advice from other people, so, what do you all recomend?
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Sep 16
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Honda's are a good choice. They'll never break down and will be very economic on fuel. If you do go for one get a fairly recent model as I believe that Honda have had not a single failiure with their new engine.
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One that does more than 30mpg is good for starters...
Can't go wrong with Honda. Solid engineering, particularly if you get one with a VTEC engine (Ever wondered why Ford use ZETEC? - the Honda's VTEC predates it by about 2 years).
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Sep 16
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Ok, yeah, Im very interested in the Honda Civic SI ( 2000 ) I just like those little cars.
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Sep 16
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get an older mx-5 miata. . .they are pretty cheap now (as low as $3000). . .rwd, something you will never regret.
there is also a HUGE aftermarket for them (everything from cold-air intakes to LS1 V8 engine swaps)
if you are ever interested in possibly weekend racing or any form of performance driving, the miata is the car for you.
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Sep 16
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get an older mx-5 miata. . .they are pretty cheap now (as low as $3000). . .rwd, something you will never regret.
there is also a HUGE aftermarket for them (everything from cold-air intakes to LS1 V8 engine swaps)
if you are ever interested in possibly weekend racing or any form of performance driving, the miata is the car for you.
I think AVP is after something sensible....
...with a sensible Insurance Premium...
..and sensible running costs...!
A sports/racing open MX-5 Miata car hardly fits that bill...
...!
Before bying any motor car, enquire the Insurance Premium for it FIRST....!
..as a young driver, you may be refused Insurance cover...
...!
The Honda is good...
...!
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I think AVP is after something sensible....
...with a sensible Insurance Premium...
..and sensible running costs...!
A sports/racing open MX-5 Miata car hardly fits that bill...
...!
Before bying any motor car, enquire the Insurance Premiun for it FIRST....!
..as a young driver, you may be refused Insurance cover...
...!
The Honda is good...
...!
Paul....Insurance Companies pay ME to drive now...
...!
Insurance on a pre 2000 miata is not that bad at all on this side of the pond. . .especially considering that most pre2000 miata's don't cost more than $10,000.
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Sep 16
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hum.... then i guess i better check the miata out... i just have ot picture it with some 17's and lambp doors. But I will be a safe driver, i will barely drive above 5 over the limit. I love my life
the miata reminded me of the benchwarmers
THAT MY MIATA! GET HIM!
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hum.... then i guess i better check the miata out... i just have ot picture it with some 17's and lambp doors. But I will be a safe driver, i will barely drive above 5 over the limit. I love my life
the miata reminded me of the benchwarmers
THAT MY MIATA! GET HIM!
I think the sensible ones amongst us have lost out....
...!
LOL...!
Whenever I think of 16 year-olds, fast motor cars with gas guzzling engines, fancy extras, high maintenance costs, high running costs, high insurance premiums, etc, etc, the word "Poverty" springs to mind....
....not to mention Police records..."i will barely drive above 5 over the limit"....
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Sep 17
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The one problem with the MX-5. It's a girls car. The sort of car a hairdressers secretary would own. (Obviously the hairdresser would own a Z3.)
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Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Nissan Sentra....
Can't go wrong with any of those. And, since you're probably going to buy something used with plenty of miles already on it.. those cars make even more sense.
The Miata is too small. You won't be able to take your friends anywhere, when it's your turn to drive. It's even a bit impractical for just TWO people to travel in, with luggage. AND.. a Miata with any kind of mileage on it is going to become a financial head-ache. They don't age well. Probably partly because of the way a person woud drive a Miata (enthusiastically
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Insurance on an older, used car for a 16 year-old has little to do with what the car is worth. Insurance companies take into consideration how a car will probably be driven. Sporty cars + 16 year-olds = $$$
Now the little secret.. If you're looking for performance on a budget.. try and find an old Nissan Sentra SER (they called it a 200SX for a few model years (higher insurance, same car). If I remember right.. It had a 150hp 2.0L engine and was pretty darn quick !
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Sep 17
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well, I better make research into those... Yeah, I am not a miata fan, it is too small.... and girly ( no offence )
I like the Sentra, it is a good looking 4 door car, it looks good with a custom grille.
The Civic ( Coupe ) is really good looking, it has good maintenance costs, and it is safe, also, lambo doors and some 17's or 18's make it look.... there isnt a word for that....
The Toyota Corola.... are you talking about the old one? the one that is in Initial D??? Or NeedforSpeedUnderground 2? if it is... It isnt one of my favorites, i dont know why, too square
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Insurance on an older, used car for a 16 year-old has little to do with what the car is worth. Insurance companies take into consideration how a car will probably be driven. Sporty cars + 16 year-olds = $$$
How old a used car/motorcycle is has a lot to do with your insurance quote. Compare an old 924 with a new Nissan or Acura econo car. . .the new car will cost more. Auto insurance generally covers 3 things: the driver, the car ($$), and a 3rd party incase of an accident. Although they will be looking to see if it is a sports car, when it comes down to it they are looking to see how much your car costs and the likelihood of theft.
Basically, if you think you will ever have a serious intrest in cars or any sort of performance driving you want to try to find a rwd as your first car. There are many cheap used ones on the market (miata being a fairly common and cheap one here in the US). For well under $10,000 there are also old 84-87's corrolla's, 240sx/180sx, 1st and 2nd gen rx-7's (3rd gen are extremly expensive), porsche 924, old volvo's, and any number of used domestic cars (mustang, camero, etc.)
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well, I better make research into those... Yeah, I am not a miata fan, it is too small.... and girly ( no offence )
I never personally owned one, but have lots of seat time behind one, so it is no offence to me.
But. . .the best response I have ever heard to someone who thought it was a girls car: "drive one and then tell me its a girls car".
I also love the two arguments I see on here. One group says that it is not the right car because 16 year olds shouldn't be driving an "expensive" "gas guzzling" "sports car". The other group is calling the "sports car" a "chick car".
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As soon as a car has a "sport car" label insurance goes up. If you don't believe me, get a quote on a Ford Mustang LS model and then get a qoute on a Mustang GT or Cobra. Then factor in age and rates rise even more.
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....The Miata is too small. You won't be able to take your friends anywhere, when it's your turn to drive....
This could be a good thing as it would eliminate the distraction that friends cause while driving. This is a major cause of accidents among teens.
I would go for a Honda Civic, or a Toyata Prius or Echo. Small cars, great mileage.
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The one problem with the MX-5. It's a girls car. The sort of car a hairdressers secretary would own. (Obviously the hairdresser would own a Z3.)
The insurance on them isn't all that awful on this side of the pond either.
PS. The 1.8 with a supercharger isn't a girls car...
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The Miata is too small. You won't be able to take your friends anywhere, when it's your turn to drive. It's even a bit impractical for just TWO people to travel in, with luggage. AND.. a Miata with any kind of mileage on it is going to become a financial head-ache. They don't age well. Probably partly because of the way a person woud drive a Miata (enthusiastically
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I'd disagree with you mileage statement. A well looked after MX-5/Miata should still be a happy car well past 100,000 miles, which a lot of the older Mk 1s a well past.
It's also not too bad a car for travelling. Boot space is limited, but with judicious packing and the use of the boot rack, it can carry a fair amount. I've done trips abroad, and that was without the boot rack either.
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As soon as a car has a "sport car" label insurance goes up. If you don't believe me, get a quote on a Ford Mustang LS model and then get a qoute on a Mustang GT or Cobra. Then factor in age and rates rise even more.
Trust me I know, I am a former Cobra owner
We are talking about cars that are almost 10 years old or more.
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We're talking about 16 year-old's first car. Probably $5000 or less. Insurance companies don't care about replacement value (whether by theft or accident) on a car worth $5000..
What they DO care about is what kinda of damage a young, inexerienced driver could end up doing to other cars.. other people and their property ..
LIABILITY is the biggest part of the premium in situations like this... And sporty cars (all things being equal.. like replacement value) are WAY more expensive to insure, for a 16 year-old. Heck.. I wouldn't even bother to insure for the purpose of replacement.. my kid's $5000 car. Giving a car to 16 year-old is throwing caution to the wind anyway. I got a feeling that when the dust settles.. avp_blue's parents will have the last say, and it will probably be a Civic-type car.
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We're talking about 16 year-old's first car. Probably $5000 or less. Insurance companies don't care about replacement value (whether by theft or accident) on a car worth $5000..
What they DO care about is what kinda of damage a young, inexerienced driver could end up doing to other cars.. other people and their property ..
LIABILITY is the biggest part of the premium in situations like this... And sporty cars (all things being equal.. like replacement value) are WAY more expensive to insure, for a 16 year-old. Heck.. I wouldn't even bother to insure for the purpose of replacement.. my kid's $5000 car. Giving a car to 16 year-old is throwing caution to the wind anyway. I got a feeling that when the dust settles.. avp_blue's parents will have the last say, and it will probably be a Civic-type car.
That's pretty much what I was trying to say except that when it comes to sports cars insurance rates rise even if the owner is an experienced driver simply beacause they are more likely to be stolen or be involved in a crash.
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...so the best advice is to choose a selection of your favourite motor cars, then get insurance quotes on them long before you decide to make a purchase.
Pick the car with the cheapest insurance that you can realistically afford to pay....
...!
It will put you on the road until you are old enough, (and rich enough), to consider something more to your liking...
There's no fun in owning an expensive, fab-looking, impressive motor car which you can't get insured....and cant use on the highway...
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We're talking about 16 year-old's first car. Probably $5000 or less. Insurance companies don't care about replacement value (whether by theft or accident) on a car worth $5000..
What they DO care about is what kinda of damage a young, inexerienced driver could end up doing to other cars.. other people and their property ..
LIABILITY is the biggest part of the premium in situations like this... And sporty cars (all things being equal.. like replacement value) are WAY more expensive to insure, for a 16 year-old. Heck.. I wouldn't even bother to insure for the purpose of replacement.. my kid's $5000 car. Giving a car to 16 year-old is throwing caution to the wind anyway. I got a feeling that when the dust settles.. avp_blue's parents will have the last say, and it will probably be a Civic-type car.
I am a really good driver, i got lots of driving expirience from Need for Speed and Grand Theft Auto! lol... JUST KIDDING!
I am really looking foward to the Civic, or the Nissan 200SX? I think that is its name, the one tha tlooks like a Silvia, I personally like 2 doors.
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I am really looking foward to the Civic, or the Nissan 200SX
Try to find the model year(s) where the 200sx was called a Sentra SER.. Same 150hp.. same 2-door body.. LESS insurance..
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ok, thanks for the tip.
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200sx is a pretty good car. . .look into the 180sx (and the more expensive 240sx) while you are at it.
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Can you find a 180sx, here in the U.S.A. ?
I've never seen one..
The 240sx is a great little car 'cause it's rear wheel drive
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Can you find a 180sx, here in the U.S.A. ?
yyou see a couple occasionally. . .i think they are mostly grey imports
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well, I went to autotrader.com , autolot.com. and other car sites...
I wasnt able to find those 180's, and Sentras
or at least at less than $6500... but I am guessing that from here to may, they will be cheaper!
I also like the Chevrolet Cavalier.
lemme list all the cars that I like ( in order )
1998 - 2003 Honda Civic Coupe
1998 - 2000 Honda Prelude
- - - Chevrolet Cavalier COUPE
- - - Nissa Silvia
- - - Dodge NEON COUPE
- - - Dodge Stratus
- - - Nissan Sentra SER
- - - Dodge Intepid
- - - Hundai Tiburon
btw... - - - means I havent done a lot of reserch...
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well, I went to autotrader.com , autolot.com. and other car sites...
I wasnt able to find those 180's, and Sentras
or at least at less than $6500... but I am guessing that from here to may, they will be cheaper!
I also like the Chevrolet Cavalier.
lemme list all the cars that I like ( in order )
1998 - 2003 Honda Civic Coupe
1998 - 2000 Honda Prelude
- - - Chevrolet Cavalier COUPE
- - - Nissa Silvia
- - - Dodge NEON COUPE
- - - Dodge Stratus
- - - Nissan Sentra SER
- - - Dodge Intepid
- - - Hundai Tiburon
btw... - - - means I havent done a lot of reserch...
Silvia? Unless it is an import that is either a 240sx or 200sx. . .
if you are near a biggish city try craigslist. . .it is a very good resource!
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ok, i will try that, and yes, i am near a bigish city... MEMPHIS! FedEx home, YAY!
and the Silvia looks a lot like the 240x, i think...
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Here is some of the reasons of why I like the Cavalier...
It is small, but not too small
It is tough, but good looking
and it is cheap ( 1998 Chevy Cavalier... less than $3500 )
also, it can go from this:
To this easily with the money you saved:
I made research into the Civic, and the cheapes was $8000!!! so, i am like .... nnooo.
And i cand find any Nissan 240sx and stuff, people in Memphis must like them too much and they dont sell them!
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After you've driven the car for a couple years... An $8,000 civic might be worth $4000.. where a $3500 Cavaliar will probably cost you $100 to have towed away
... and in the mean time.. the Civic won't have near the repair bills..
The old, "You get what you pay for"..
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good point... cheaper isnt always better... but my parents dont event want to hear about a car above 4000, so yeah.... and i got 2 friends with 2007 Scions tC... i am sad
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http://memphis.craigslist.org/search/car?query=240sx
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sweet, thanks for that, the only problem with that website is tha tit doesnt have a lot of pics...
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