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Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:03am

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I'm sure this has already been brought up at some point but i  was just wondering. Is Microsoft planning on ever making another CFS?
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:45am

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It was writing 'CFS4' which was (ostensibly) an update of 'CFS1' using new aircraft, engines, scenery, and expanding the theatre of operations.
Shortly into the project it was announced that it had been cancelled.
Some of us believe that it wasn't actually cancelled but that it was 'put back' for the release of Vista to exploit the new hardware / drivers that will become available and try to steal a march on Maddox's IL2 series, particularly 'Battles of Britain' which has the same idea.
The reason this is suspected is that Tucker's team of developers doesn't seem to have been disassembled, but rather just 'assigned to other duties'.
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Reply #2 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:55am

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Thank you very much
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 9:50am

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I just hope it includes the Pacific Theater also and not just the Eropean Theater. If they do that,I"m sure it will give the Ubi IL2 series a run for their Money.





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Reply #4 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 1:49pm

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IF it's still being developed, it was intended to be almost a repeat of CFS1 just using up to date technology.
There was also to have been greater variety but it is unlikely the Pacific would have been catered for in this version.
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 16th, 2006 at 7:28pm

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I believe there is a great interest in the Pacific Theater in the Sim World at this moment. If I where Microsoft I would tab on that. That does not mean there is less interest in the European Theater. What I mean is that the newer members are equaly interested in both Theater and I would rather see a more comprehensive Sim that would treat the whole air war in a World two sim instead of representing just one Theater over the other.

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Reply #6 - Sep 16th, 2006 at 11:58pm

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>>>It was writing 'CFS4' which was (ostensibly) an update of 'CFS1' using new aircraft, engines, scenery, and expanding the theatre of operations.<<<

It was an update of CFS3 using its engine.

>>>Shortly into the project it was announced that it had been cancelled.<<<

Incorrect, it was well along, over a year & within a week or two of going to the beta testers when it was killed.

>>>Some of us believe that it wasn't actually cancelled but that it was 'put back' for the release of Vista to exploit the new hardware / drivers that will become available and try to steal a march on Maddox's IL2 series, particularly 'Battles of Britain' which has the same idea.<<<

Actually, combat fligh sims ROI suck & don't meet MS's revenue requirements.  Bottom line CFS4 projection fell short of the ROI hurddle so it got axed.

>>>The reason this is suspected is that Tucker's team of developers doesn't seem to have been disassembled, but rather just 'assigned to other duties'.Watch the skies<<<

Very few actually survived the purge.
 
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Reply #7 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 4:53am

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It was an update of CFS1, using the CFS3 engine, flight models, etc.

Correct.

We shall have to wait and see.

Correct, I worded that badly.
 
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Reply #8 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 6:03am

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It was an update of CFS1, using the CFS3 engine, flight models, etc.


It was not a CFS re-do any more then CFS3 was.  The aircraft mix & mission types would clearly show that.
 
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Reply #9 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 8:12am

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As I understand it. CFS4 was going to be another European base combat flight Simulator. Boy, we would have had CFS1,CFS3 plus CFS4 all base soley base on  Europe.

Thats not to mention EAW, Janes Fighter and many more. Now thats simply not market smart. You can over bare a consumer with the same product and you will reduce your market value. Now if you throw in the Pacific Therater with it diversity of missions together with the European Theater than you might have a winner.

People get tire of the same thing all the time no matter how good it might be. Now if you add something to it they just might continue buying what your are selling them.

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Reply #10 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 8:19am

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I wish they'd make another CFS game, but I think with CFS3 they are done with that, from what I can tell CFS3 was somewhat of a flop (A lot of people didnt like it) and MS doesnt want to try again maybe? Just like the Train sim series that got chopped as well, and I was waiting for it..... I wonder whats up with MS.... Cheers, Gunny
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 9:28am

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It was not a CFS re-do any more then CFS3 was.  The aircraft mix & mission types would clearly show that.

I can only tell you what I was told when I asked a member of the team to briefly describe it (in simple terms that even I would understand). That's what I was told. I've since seen descriptions on other sites which described it as, 'imagine CFS1, built with everything that's now available to make it'.

This was a very exciting description to me as I think there is a fundamental difference between CFS1 and everything that followed. CFS1's 'fun'.

Not sure now, but I think I remember Tucker even saying something along those lines, in the job description when the ad's for CFS4 game writers went out.
 
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Reply #12 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 10:51am

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CFS1 came with 8 flyable single engine fighters, 3 RAF, 2 USAAC, 3 Luftwaffe, period.  It was a dog fight, intercept the bombers game,  no more no less & no where near as good at it as EAW.  

CFS3 added a tactical air component with its range of medimum bombers B-25, Ju-88, etc & CFS4 would have added even newer content looking at additional facets of the war.

So bottom line is CFS4 was not a dog fight game/intercept, way too many multi-engined aircraft that were player flyable.  

Questions, Did CFS have any submarines in the box & is Tucker still at Aces?

BTW You know of course that add for jobs was up for over a year after the game was killed & the source of many CFS4 is back rumors.  Its content was as accurate as its timing.
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Reply #13 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 12:09pm

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lolol
how funny.
this was often a topic of discussion in game rooms.
some people preferred CFS1, others CFS2 or 3.
I tried 2 and 3, and the IL2 series, and they are all technologically more advanced than CFS1.
CFS1 is absolutely an old games dinosaur, and still the most fun of the lot.
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Reply #14 - Sep 17th, 2006 at 1:04pm

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That is nice that it would have been a Bomber oriented Combat Simulator but you would it still would be fighting the same old enemy in the same old scenery.

Now if you would have add new Theaters and still keep the same theme than that would have made it a lot more interesting. Like a B25 skip Bombing over Nothern New Guinea or TBS torpedoing a supply ship in the Central  Pacific or flying a B24 over the Atlantic and dropping depth charges over a U-bout.

Now that would make it different and worth buying. Now flying a B17 over Western Europe in a Bombing run is a little old. Now its not that a B17 Bombing run over Western Europe is boring but its time to emulate other Theaters and missions as well.

You know they have never made a good Simulator recreating the famous B29 missions over Tokyo before. Wouldn"t that make it more interesting as a World war two Simulator. I do not care if included other aspects of World war two combat simulation and a World map with a open structure like the rest of the CFS series. That would make a better product than just another Europear Thearter base combat simulator.


I believe that would give Forgotten Battle/Pacific Fighter programers a run for their money.



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