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Sep 8th, 2006 at 11:03pm

Falcon500   Offline
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Am i completly off in the way i am doing this, this is my "first" aircraft and i have no clue what and or which direction i am headed ???

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I also have a plug for a boolean to take out the main screen.
 

What do I do you ask? I struggle! Then destroy! Then try to put back together what I just broke on accident.....&&&&&&&&&&                        The GMax effect... The GMax effect
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Reply #1 - Sep 9th, 2006 at 6:42am

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Falcon,
have a looksee here
http://forums.netwings.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2358
Might give you a pointer or two.
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 9th, 2006 at 1:37pm

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Falcon try something easier SAVE this plane and start doing things like silly planes a tube with a long table in orther you get use to export & see it in the game,I learn by doing very silly things,

Make a copy  the entire   Default cessna 172 folder, Aircraft.cfg & Cesssna.air etc... Put another name as John Doe,.. export the model you work and place the mdl with the same name and replace the copy of the mdl in the modelfolder(Remember we are working WITH a COPY of the cessna original fs9 folder ,Never the original,..)

you will change in aircraft.cfg this

[fltsim.0]
title=Cessna Skyhawk 172SP
sim=Cessna172SP
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=
kb_checklists=Cessna172SP_check
kb_reference=Cessna172SP_ref
atc_id=N176CM
ui_manufacturer=
FALCON500

ui_type="C172SP Skyhawk"
ui_variation="White with blue and gray"
description="

Then open fs9 look for manufacture falcon500 you must see your plane,you don't need to finish it ,you can even export this model to take a look in the fs9

Remember Not replace the original Cessna172 use a copy of it
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 9th, 2006 at 9:37pm

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well i cant export it into an "x" type file, only a scene, and for the CFG, i already made a new .air file and CFG for it. Roll Eyes


[fltsim.0]
title=B-25H Mitchell
sim=B25H_Mitchell
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=
ui_manufacturer=North American
ui_type=B-25
ui_variation=Green
description=WWII B-25H Mitchell
 

What do I do you ask? I struggle! Then destroy! Then try to put back together what I just broke on accident.....&&&&&&&&&&                        The GMax effect... The GMax effect
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Reply #4 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 11:52am

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well i cant export it into an "x" type file, only a scene, and for the CFG, i already made a new .air file and CFG for it. Roll Eyes


[fltsim.0]
title=B-25H Mitchell
sim=B25H_Mitchell
model=
panel=
sound=
texture=
ui_manufacturer=North American
ui_type=B-25
ui_variation=Green
description=WWII B-25H Mitchell



I assume that your working with Gmax,Im trying to help you Falcon500 maybe you haven't add a requirement( I don't know how much you know or Ignore ,Perhaps you already knbow this) but just in case if you don't add this software to your  already Gmax instalation,you wont be able to export Direccly from Gmax to MDL (Not *.X)unless you are working with 3d studio max,
You must download the "gMax Gamepack SDK" right here

http://www.microsoft.com/games/flightsimulator/fs2004_downloads_sdk.asp

Install it...

then Set gmax in meters ,I will say again in preferences ,set it to meter unit, then you export will as an aircraft ,Maybe you know all this am not a magician,I just want to help you ,ask specific what you need to know and It would be easier for me to help me ,to help you 

 

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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 1:33pm

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Alright, i downloaded the sdk and set it up, i went into gmax and set the units back to metric, i exported as an aircraft, set up the aircraft file, went into FS9 opened my aircraft and the b-25 is roughly two miles long and 2.5 miles wide ???


explain that one  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 3:07pm

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Just converting the units in Gmax isn't going to change the actual size of the aircraft.

In Gmax, create a new scene.

Set it up as you had done with the last one, except now you have the units set up correctly.  However you usually get a background image to work with, get that in there.

Create a block (if you haven't already) the dimensions of the aircraft.

Merge your B-25 into this scene.  Now group all the B-25 objects (NOT the block you just made) together and reset the gizmo center to 0,0,0.

Now use the "Select and Uniform Scale" tool, next to the "Select and Rotate" tool, to shrink the new group until it fits inside the block.

Delete the block, save your work and you're ready to export!
 

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Reply #7 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 5:57pm

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Just converting the units in Gmax isn't going to change the actual size of the aircraft.

In Gmax, create a new scene.

Set it up as you had done with the last one, except now you have the units set up correctly.  However you usually get a background image to work with, get that in there.

Create a block (if you haven't already) the dimensions of the aircraft.

Merge your B-25 into this scene.  Now group all the B-25 objects (NOT the block you just made) together and reset the gizmo center to 0,0,0.

Now use the "Select and Uniform Scale" tool, next to the "Select and Rotate" tool, to shrink the new group until it fits inside the block.

Delete the block, save your work and you're ready to export!



I dunno, i did what you said, made a new scene and changed the units, made a box, merged the aircraft and the aircraft fits nicely in the box.
 

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Reply #8 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 6:40pm

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Fine do as you wanna or follow others advises I delete my other post,it doesn't worth it dude ,do in the hardest way....I wish to see others work,posted with exeption of Milton Shupe who also belong here,and sometimes he's disacredit though I mean he's teaching and in this forum is the top in knowledge......
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 7:43pm

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Fine do as you wanna or follow others advises I delete my other post,it doesn't worth it dude ,do in the hardest way....I wish to see others work,posted with exeption of Milton Shupe who also belong here,and sometimes he's disacredit though I mean he's teaching and in this forum is the top in knowledge......



Are you getting ANGRY because a person took someone's advice other than yours?!
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 8:23pm

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You right Locke ,I don't need this,Your advises always will be better than everyone else,This doesn't worth it you must be a teacher ,and I rather to make planes...At least Im in a very different possition around the web,to see my name as a desigher from being the teacher or compite for that( say what you want your opinion doesn't count to me)   perhaps I just apply my own experiences to myself,this its like a child issue and I wont go with this any further,I notice everytime everyone replys a help ,a help! locke you are always to denies other experiences, or Disacredit it,when we are here suppost  to help & others, not to compite this its absurd,so go ahead this part of the forum site from now on its all yours profesor.........

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Reply #11 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:00pm

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Clear the aisles, everyone!  There's a GIANT HEAD coming through!

Mister, I don't see anyone acting childish around here, other than you.  I didn't suggest he ignore anyone's advice, I just gave my point of view.  If you think there's a better way, that's your opinion.

If you want to get snippy and hurt over something, I would suggest you get snippy and hurt over something IMPORTANT.
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:27pm

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EVERY ONE JUST CHILL, OR I'LL BREAK OUT THE SUPER BOMBER!!!!!!!!!


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Reply #13 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:29pm

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alright now that intentions are fogged,


any suggestions on what and or how i can fix, or redo this?
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:47pm

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I told you...CORRECTION: I kwew it



I had post it,but I delete it,Again... the right way & easy: Select all\ right click of the mouse\scale move the mouse until this planes covers in Meters ( set units in meters) about two or 3 quares(grids) of Gmax the smallest ones, that's about the size,..Export it put in the runway & calculate the size little bigger little smaller ,export the mdl as many posible until you reach the right size & position above the floor
 

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Reply #15 - Sep 10th, 2006 at 10:52pm

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Actually, Alex is right here...

...the unit of measurment doesn't get tagged on until exported, so change the unit to what ever you were building in and it should export in the right size. Wink
 

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Reply #16 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 12:57am

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The correct method of unit conversion would be to merge your scene into a new one which is set to meters.
That presumes that your original feet scene was allready correct in size.
Just remember that there are two places in Gmax to set units:

1. Customize menu - units setup.
This one is only for display while playing in Gmax.

2. Customzte menu - preferences - General - System unit scale
This is the important one that actually defines your units.
 

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Reply #17 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 1:08am

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Thats is correct Mathias.. Wink,Falcon500 follow this instructios where to set this,..also Ive seen that most of the time(maybe because Im lucky  Grin) sometimes it set by it self ,I mean after the gMax Instalation It show after add the Game pack as A metter unit by itself,Must of the times,but rarely occation it shown as Feets or inch

Falcon 500 Its soo simple I didn't have instaled gMax , I made in no more than 5 min(instalation and this thing) something like an aircraft ,Just to show you ,not to complicate your self..,its easy,.. as I explained to you before,... here as example I made 2 size of this object compare the size (much close to real measure than your plane)One big & one small..(this is not a real model just something quick to show you) Grin

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A big size Like antonov 225

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and like one of those planes for toys Compare with the number of the runway

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I did it in a a couple minutes,see that Im right! If you start doing things by the hardest way Youll never finish it ,..See when I told you ((I wanna help you)) I got experience in this,But still even with 3 sussefully planes all over the web (those who has copilots) I still learning ,But I learn from real & simple persons ,people from here like >Milton Shupe,and at freeflight design Shop,with a friendly and very Didactical people WHO really knows about this,Im able to help so as anyone but as a team not as a competition of "who knows more" we just see here Jeff and Mathias COLABORATING as a comunity without complications and me,to help you make your design
remenber this

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Select all\ right click of the mouse\scale move the mouse until this planes covers in Meters ( set units in meters) about two or 3 quares(grids) of gMax the smallest ones, that's about the size,..Export it put in the runway & calculate the size little bigger little smaller ,export the mdl as many posible until you reach the right size & position above the floor



,and anything just ask ,..Like Im still doing as a learner , and share with this comunity what Ive learn until now,.. specialy to SimV comunity

I hope this helps 

Alex
 

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Reply #18 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 7:43pm

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im getting tired of this, i got the plane down to about 1000ft thats after setting it to centimeter, then millimeters after having it at meters,


then while in millimeter mode i had to skrink the model to 1/4 the size, that's how i got it to the 1000ft mark
 

What do I do you ask? I struggle! Then destroy! Then try to put back together what I just broke on accident.....&&&&&&&&&&                        The GMax effect... The GMax effect
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Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2006 at 7:57pm

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meters no one said or mention millimeters set it in metters as Mathias said above,and then select with the mouse(with the left click push it ) the entire plane and set  right,after selected click on the plane selected Not move,Not rotate,Not manipulate,Scale,scale scale,scale ,scale,,.. Roll Eyesreduce the entire plane size you can see it!after  scale selected and the entire plane is selected,you put the mouse in the middle of the plane (left click and move the mouse)until it fits in two gMax grids....Don't do anything else Not millimeters Not centimeters,Meters , Meters unit mesures set up =
Meters!
for Christ Sake and be patient ,calm down you begining to put me nervious too...


I need a beer  Shocked Embarrassed Grin 
 

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Reply #20 - Sep 12th, 2006 at 9:11pm

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meters no one said or mention millimeters set it in metters as Mathias said above,and then select with the mouse(with the left click push it ) the entire plane and set  right,after selected click on the plane selected Not move,Not rotate,Not manipulate,Scale,scale scale,scale ,scale,,.. Roll Eyesreduce the entire plane size you can see it!after  scale selected and the entire plane is selected,you put the mouse in the middle of the plane (left click and move the mouse)until it fits in two gMax grids....Don't do anything else Not millimeters Not centimeters,Meters , Meters unit mesures set up =
Meters!
for Christ Sake and be patient ,calm down you begining to put me nervious too...


I need a beer  Shocked Embarrassed Grin 



ALROT
did i ever tell you that you never makes sense but i love you in that co designer way Kiss


how about i email you a beer Kiss


***Cheers***
 

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Reply #21 - Sep 14th, 2006 at 6:26am

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Hey Falcon. I'm not going to get involved in the maylay. Grin I certainly do'nt want to see the super bomber come out either. You could try this.
1.Open Gmax

2.Go to customize then Units Set Up and change to Feet w/Decimal inches.

3.Go to preferences and change System Unit Scale to meters then check automatic conversion. This may not fix your total scale problem but it will set it up for US to Metric conversion. This way you can model in Feet and inches. If I remember correctly you are from the UP of Michigan and I'm assuming that you would prefer to model in Feet and inches.

4.Now with your units set up open your model and when prompted choose Adopt System Scale this will put you on Feet with decimal inches

5.Next you could use a combination of both suggestions and make a couple of boxes one for length and one for wing span then scale the model down or up. By the way boxes are the way that I measure all my Aircraft CFG inputs because if you do'nt convert it and just leave it a box you can change the height. This way all your measurments are from the flight sim refpoint and are extremely acurate. You just select and rotate the box and move it to where ever you want. (See JPG) Notice the length of the selected box I25 feet 4inches point 07

6.Heres another tip. The flight sim reference point is where your parts start out when you push the create button 0.0X/0.0Y/0.0Z this is the point refered to in the Aircraft CFG. The blue box is at this point (see JPG1) Notice the gizmo is at the height of the grid or 0.0Z this is where you can rotate around and meausure positive forward and negative aft for you CFG entry. You can also move the boxes on any desired plane and the heights stay accurate. The green and purple box are still at the 0.0Y and 0.0X axis(JPG2) and can be used to measure the lateral lengths. You could also use the tape but this is less accurate because of perspective.

Hope some of this helps Greg.
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