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Reply #15 - Oct 2nd, 2006 at 3:12pm

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The world is not a tidy and neat place, governed by formalities.  As far as I'm concerned, the commencement of hostilities is all the declaration I need to conclude a war has started.


Yes it is, because if you do not go to war properly these days, you will end up in the dock a a later date, whether you are a leader or just a troop following orders.

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Reply #16 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 9:01am

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Lets see, wars without any "war declaration":





USA vs. Vietnam (1965 - 1971)

USA vs. Iraq (1990 & 2003)

USA vs. Afghanistan (2001)

Iraq vs. Kuwait (1990)

All the israeli vs. arab countrys wars (1947-49, 1956,
1967, 1973, 2006)

NATO vs. Serbia (1999)

USSR vs. Afghanistan (1979-89)

India vs. Pakistan (1947-49)

France vs. Algeria (1954-62)

Nigeria vs. Biafra (1967)

Egypt vs. Libya (1971)

UK vs. Argentina (1982)

USA vs. Grenada (1983)

USA vs. Panama (1989)

Yugoslavian civil war (1991-1999)

Rwanda (1994)

USA vs. Somalia (1993)

2nd Intifada  (since 2000)

Darfur (2003)

and the list aint near from being complete.




On the other hand, states at war (declaration of war was made but no peace treaty):

Israel vs. Syria and Lebanon (sionce Yom-Kippur)

North Korea vs. South Korea

Russia vs. Japan (since 1945)

Netherlands vs. Portugal (since 1567)


Conclusion: noone is declaring war any more. going to battle is enough of a declaration.
 
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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 9:04am

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You've included some civil wars there (Yugoslavia) and some genocides (Rwanda). Do they really count?


Oh yeah, the USA didn't go to war with Somalia. They were there on a humanitarian mission.
 
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Reply #18 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 9:10am

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Oh yeah, the USA didn't go to war with Somalia. They were there on a humanitarian mission.


us sent their soldiers there to fight an kill. thats war to me.

maybe the locals would agree.
 
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Reply #19 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 9:17am

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us sent their soldiers there to fight an kill. thats war to me.

maybe the locals would agree.

No. The troops were sent there to ensure that the people got the humanitarian aid that was being sent there instead of it all being taken by the warlords which was what was happening. They wern't allowed to shoot without being fired upon first.
 
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Reply #20 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 4:15pm

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USA vs. Grenada (1983)


I wonder what the USA would have said if the UK invaded Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket Island?

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Reply #21 - Oct 3rd, 2006 at 7:02pm

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I wonder what the USA would have said if the UK invaded Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket Island?

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I might try that one day. Would quite like to go to Martha's Vineyard. Grin
 
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Reply #22 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 1:50am

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I might try that one day. Would quite like to go to Martha's Vineyard. Grin


Trade you for the Isle of Wight.  Wink
 
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Reply #23 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 3:20am

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Trade you for the Isle of Wight.  Wink



Only if you take Parkhusrt and it's "guests" as a job lot  Grin

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Reply #24 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 10:13am

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Regarding the USA vs Granada thing, to be accurate, Cuba sents soldiers into Granada to support a violent coup.  There were American civilians in Granada, specifically American medical students.  The US sent it's military in because of the civilians.  So, to be accurate, Cuba participated in a coup in Granada, and the US kicked the Cubans out.
 
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Reply #25 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 10:32am

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Yes it is, because if you do not go to war properly these days, you will end up in the dock a a later date, whether you are a leader or just a troop following orders.

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I know that's what the Hague want's to have happen, but there's politics in everything.  If it's not politically expedient, the guilty won't be charged.  Nobody's trying to charge Nasrallah for starting that Hezbollah vs Israel war when Hezbollah kidnapped those Israeli soldiers.
 
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Reply #26 - Oct 10th, 2006 at 11:59am

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On the other hand, states at war (declaration of war was made but no peace treaty):

Israel vs. Syria and Lebanon (sionce Yom-Kippur)

North Korea vs. South Korea

Russia vs. Japan (since 1945)

Netherlands vs. Portugal (since 1567)


Conclusion: noone is declaring war any more. going to battle is enough of a declaration.


You forgot this one

Russia vs. Germany (Since 1945)
 
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Reply #27 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 4:05pm
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well this may be a  little belated but, the attack on pearl harbor was suppossed to play out as some diplomatic ploy, so that america would not declare war against japan. but it didn't turn out that way.
 
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Reply #28 - Nov 7th, 2006 at 6:33pm

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well this may be a  little belated but, the attack on pearl harbor was suppossed to play out as some diplomatic ploy, so that america would not declare war against japan. but it didn't turn out that way.

Dunno how you figured that one out. Pearl Harbour was a pre-emtive strike intended to happen at the same time as an official declaration of war was made to the US government by the Japanise Embassy.
 
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Reply #29 - Nov 11th, 2006 at 9:20am

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I have watched pearl Harbour the old one  25 times on DVD at home i still cannot come to the conclusion that how did the US ignore so many warnings, even on the net after going through so many sites I cannot understand how such a blunder could happen with the loss of so many men.
 
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