Simviation Forum - New FSX BETA screens

Sep 1^st, 2006 at 9:52am

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Hope this is ok to post, lots of new FSX pics from those that were lucky to get the file, I' am still waiting for mine as I 'am a Fileplanet subscriber! Wink

http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=248&topic_id=18602&mesg_...

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Reply #1 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 9:58am

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Looks good...Can't really say I want it yet though... 8)

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Reply #2 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 10:00am

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Why do you say that? ???

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Reply #3 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 10:12am

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The autogen looks great. The airports look kinda cartoony.

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Reply #4 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 10:27am

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Totally underwhelmed by that lot. On the basis of those there's no way I'd go for FSX until it's been out for some time and either it's cheap on eBay or being knocked out at a discount.

The graphics in those shots are not worth struggling at 7 or 8 fps for and frankly if those are the 'detailed' airports I'll stick with my 3rd paty FS2004 sceneries thank you. The moving airport traffic the developers have done for FS2004 is also a lot more convincing than this FSX default stuff (check out Gary Summons's Gatwick demo any one who doubts that). The problem IMO is that MS just will not invest enough in decent default models.

I also hate the FSX ATC window that takes up far too much space and from the demo the FSX ATC is the same as FS2004. So no additional realism in a critical and relatively weak area of the sim (it was good in 2003 - but things have moved on a bit and so have expectations).

From where I stand fancy water that saps even the highest end PC, a few moving ships that you can really only see when you fly the Trike (yeah - big laugh), birds that you miss when you blink and a few elephants (see moving ships above) are not enough for me to go out and buy it. And there's no way that as a grown up I have the slightest interest in a 'mission based' game (don't think I'm alone in that either)

Unfortunately MS shot themselves in the foot with the demo which let's face it upset more people than it pleased. It's come out from the discussions that FSX is NOT programmed to efficiently use dual core CPUs - so why go out and buy one now to play your favourite game (which is what FS is fast becoming on the face of it) when you will get no benefit from today's investment and the technology will become 'standard' and therefore cheaper over the next 6 or 9 months.

Anyway, there's my 2 pennorth to be going on with. Sorry MS - IMO this time you let things run too long and kept quiet when you should have communicated. And now you've unveiled your offering - it's a little bit disappointing with not enough that's new and of real value to serious simmers and maybe, just maybe an expensive dog that only the most dedicated supporters and collectors of all the old MS sims will queue up to buy at midnight.

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Reply #5 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 10:52am

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Ya...definately no FSX for me...When I saw those airport ground vehicles...I was totally un-impressed...Fly-Tampa makes 'em better...The only thing that really "pleased" me was the road traffic...but other than that... Lips Sealed

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Reply #6 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 10:57am

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The only thing I want to know is...

...who the hell at Microsoft is painting the liveries on the stock planes??? ??? That CRJ is ugly as hell with the purple and light blue...and the other heavy jets with the oranges and....oh what the hell, fruity jets. Tongue

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Reply #7 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 12:02pm

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Ya...definately no FSX for me...When I saw those airport ground vehicles...I was totally un-impressed...Fly-Tampa makes 'em better...The only thing that really "pleased" me was the road traffic...but other than that... Lips Sealed

Roger that. See you at FS11, perhaps.

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Reply #8 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 12:31pm

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From what I can see the sim will be reasonable on a current mid range rig. The specs of the poster on avsim are clearly viewed in his post and they aren't anything spectacular.

It looks really promising that with some upgrading to a higher end machine FSX will look even better ....... and for those who want to go the whole hog and upgrade completely when DX10 equipment is available will find it stunning.

No one will ever be completely happy with a new release and as we all know FSX, as was FS9, will only be a base for both free and payware developers to build on.

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Reply #9 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 12:50pm

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You know, in the grand scheme of things, I am compelled to say that I feel a little sorry for the ACES team. From what we have all gathered, they are also dedicated flight sim fans who have put a lot of effort into this new sim. And look at us. We are nit-picking at them for the smallest things such as the liveries. Heck, I've seen far worse liveries in real life. Let's look at the new things they have given us so far in FSX:

1. Space flight
2. User-operated ATC controller function for MP
3. Head movement [default this time - no addon needed]
4. Self-shadowing and bump maps
5. Mission "EDITOR" [are we forgetting about this?]
6. Improved water dynamics [I'm not talking visually here]

Now let's look at the things that we are complaining about:

1. Number of planes*
2. Liveries*
3. Aircraft dynamics [this is the only complain I support so far]
4. Hardware**

*There will always be better planes and liveries in the addon community anyways.

**So what if the hardware requirement is high? This is the 21st century and Moore's Law is always pushing computer technology.

Again, all I can say is that I feel sorry for the ACES team in that they are being nit-picked for almost anything these days. They did something we wanted them to do. They provided us a demo, they posted blogs about their progress, they allowed us to post screenshots and state our own opinions without having to face the corporate red tape. They even allowed many people from all over the world [not just at an Oshkosh computer stand but at their own studio as well] to come over and test the actual beta.

What do we all give them in return? A big spit in the face. Back in the days when FS98 was new, the FS community was friendly and considerate as well as open minded. But now look at us. We have become nit-pickers. We are throwing tomatoes at the very people who enjoy making the very thing we take for granted these days. If this keeps up, I doubt I will visit the FSX section of the forums when FSX is released.

I am studying to get a bachlers in coomputer programming in the hopes of one day creating my very own car sim so that I can share it with the rest of the world. Now considering what kind of treatment the ACES team has received, I can imagine what kind of treatment I would most likely receive when my future car sim comes up to its 25th anniversary. If this happened to me 25 years down the road, I'm pretty sure I would most likely quit development. In fact, I'm willing to bet that a few good developers in the FS team had quit because of the bad wrap that they received from the community.

I am pretty sure that this post will not change everyone's mind and that is "not" my intention with this post. I am just posting this to remind everyone of who is "really" shooting at who's own foot around here.

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Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 12:59pm

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WELL SAID KATAHU!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #11 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 1:11pm

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I agree totally Katahu ...... FSX will be a BETTER base to build from than any of the previous releases. I'm looking forward to seeing what the developers out there can do with what looks like a fantastic start point.

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Reply #12 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 1:51pm

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Can I be cheeky and ask someone to post some screens of LGMT please? Oh, and a few random shots of the island would be nice as well if that isn't pushing it.
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Reply #13 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 3:58pm

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You go, Katahu!!!!

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Reply #14 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 4:27pm

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Hey you lot - save your sympathy for Microsoft. They happen to be a global conglomerate who IMO abuse their monopolistic market position in all sorts of ways in all sorts of areas - and its not just me saying that, the EU also happen to agree. They are a commercial company who make massive profits and they are in all of the businesses they are in for one reason and one reason only. And that's to make money.

They are not here to do be a charitable institution to make generous gifts to the global flightsim community. They judge what they can make and sell that's acceptable to the market that makes them the maximum profit and that's what they will do with FSX.

So cut all this nonsense about not criticising MS and nitpicking the results of the poor unofortunates who've slaved for months and months to bring this little goodie along for the gratification of an eagerly awaiting public.

They have been involved in making a commercial product that they hope to market and sell globally to make huge sums of money.

They only deserve to do so and be successful in that if the product they are offering comes up to scratch. Only time will tell if it does - nobody in the world knows at this time. But I stick by every word I said in my posting above.

Hey, I wonder why it is that when a whole team of guys have worked for months and even years and spent millions on a cinema film, nobody gives a dam about saying yeah, thanks, but it's rubbish. Yet for some reason nobody must be critical about an upcoming release of a stupid computer game. Jesse - really, I'm amazed - won't visit the FSX forum indeed!!!!

Microsoft have done nobody any favours here - everything they have done was what they judged would be the best way of promoting this new release. I don't think they've shown the best possible judgement in that in various ways - but unfortunately with all their pumped up seminars and over-hyped releases of clips and stuff they've unwisely in my view raised expectations to what I think is an unattainable level.

The closer we look at this new sim, below what the publicists have been trying to get us to buy, it doesn't look as though aside from a bit of fancy eye candy that sensible people will soon tire of, that much has changed. I may be wrong - I hope I am - but I can only comment honestly on what Microsoft has chosen to feed me.

And if my honest comments don't happen to be particularly favourable I don't like then to be called ungrateful.

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