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Aug 16th, 2006 at 12:24am

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Okay, so after going through all the trouble of downlaoding and installing FSX I go to play and get this error.

"MSXML4 SP2 Cannot be found. Please reinstall FS to fix this error."

So I go ahead and reinstall it, however I still get the same error message. And whats the first thing I think of? Google! I find the answer I'm looking for on Microsoft.com and try to reinstall the MSXML but to no avail. Running out of thoughts I try one last thing, boot up Vista, and install it there.....and YES!!! it works. But heres the downside, I only get 10~12 FPS. Which is flyable, but not when I get 60+ in FS9.

So my question to you is did any of you have a similar problem and how did you fix it. Cus I mean as much as I love useing Vista as my only OS, I really can't stand 12FPS.

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Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 12:30am
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Microsoft's plan is coming along... Muahahahaha!!!
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 12:43am

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Eh I've already almost completely switched. The only time I ever go back into XP is when I want to game.

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Reply #3 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:16am
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Works fine for me Wink in XP. You need Sp2 do you have that ?
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:30am

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I do indeed.

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Reply #5 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:41am
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Okay, so after going through all the trouble of downlaoding and installing FSX I go to play and get this error.

"MSXML4 SP2 Cannot be found. Please reinstall FS to fix this error."

So I go ahead and reinstall it, however I still get the same error message. And whats the first thing I think of? Google! I find the answer I'm looking for on Microsoft.com and try to reinstall the MSXML but to no avail. Running out of thoughts I try one last thing, boot up Vista, and install it there.....and YES!!! it works. But heres the downside, I only get 10~12 FPS. Which is flyable, but not when I get 60+ in FS9.

So my question to you is did any of you have a similar problem and how did you fix it. Cus I mean as much as I love useing Vista as my only OS, I really can't stand 12FPS.

Cheers
Cameron



http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=3144b72b-b4f2-46da-b4b6...

msxml.msi
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Reply #6 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:02am

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I had a similar error report to CT Joyce's, and I suspect it is because I don't have SP 2 installed....

It was impossible to install the program...!

I have a funny idea that FSX will not run without Service Pack 2 being present...WHY?....Smiley...!

My fear is that folks like myself, who unwittingly purchase FSX, without being fully aware of the restrictions on the box, like SP2, will find that they have wasted their money and will have to return it.... Cry...!
I don't recall these sort of problems occurring with the previous versions of the Flight Simulators running under Win '98, and the original Win XP SP1.... Wink...!

Microsoft's Security and software protection paranoia is affecting much of our hardware and software nowadays, unless constant security, etc, upgrades are installed and in place...!

I'm afraid that my lowly 56k dial-up will not cope with Bill's constant, massive security downloads anymore...Cry...!

FSX is a no-no for me unless I purchase another latest, very expensive, full boxed version of Windows XP Pro SP2 on top of the cost of FSX... Cry...!
A very expensive exercise... Shocked...!

Service pack 1 has served me very well, with no problems, since in was first released some years ago...and it installs and re-installs with no problems....Grin...!

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Reply #7 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:20am
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i installed SP2 just for the demo. wish i hadnt but i did, silly old me.

if you want to improve your frames on vista. their are some beta drivers for GPU's on nvidia's website. you probably already got them but just incase you havnt thought i would say.
 
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Reply #8 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:33am

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I had a similar error report to CT Joyce's, and I suspect it is because I don't have SP 2 installed....

It was impossible to install the program...!

I have a funny idea that FSX will not run without Service Pack 2 being present...WHY?....Smiley...!

This was my first thought when I found out about it. Why? ???

I had no problems installing the FSX demo so assume I already had SP2 installed without my knowledge. This is a fairly new machine which I purchased with WinXP Home already installed.

If you want to try it someone suggested that the FSX Demo & SP2 will probably be included on games magazine cover discs. I think this is quite likely.

PS. I've had no problems with SP2 that I know of. Of course, I don't know what it was like without it.
 

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Reply #9 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:55am

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PS. I've had no problems with SP2 that I know of. Of course, I don't know what it was like without it.


Tee-Hee...Grin...!

It's beautiful without it , Doug....trust me.... Wink...!

Like many others, I get no annoying "firewall" problems whilst using Multiplayer....(My Anti-Virus programs take care of that)...Wink...!
...and just yesterday, I uninstalled and reinstalled Win XP Pro.....(even after hardware changes)....for the umpteenth time....without having to phone up Uncle Bill in some mansion in the US, to beg him for his glorious permission to do so.... Grin... Grin... Grin...!
...Fantastic... 8)...!

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Reply #10 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 6:15am

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I am still waiting for Nvidia to put out some Vista graphics drivers that will work with the 7950.

As soon as that happens I will reinstall Vista.
 

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Reply #11 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 9:46am

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Their out here

x64 is here

However I have tried everything under the sun to get this to work, and my only assumption is something went wrong when I tried to install SP2. So I may uninstall it and reinstall it. Thankfully it was a recent change.

However I'm not too sure wethar I want to leave FS9. I mean that the FSX demo is great in all, but being stuck in the islands kinda sucks. So I may just wait for the real game to come out.

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Reply #12 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 9:48am

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That I knew about. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling it, but again nothing.

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Reply #13 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 10:28am
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Hmmm

Didn't have any problem like that. I didn't have SP2 installed in my XP Pro after all the criticisms I've read about it and I always thought it would reduce my FR in FS2004.

Far from it. Installed it for FSX and FS2004 runs smoothly and at least as fast as before. Could even be a bit quicker... Wink
 
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Reply #14 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 11:07am

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Roger,

Another thread (somewhere here) mentioned that the SP2 upgrade involved three or four package installations that if you didn't get them all, your machine would slow up. Did you see this when you installed SP2? I have the demo and SP2 sitting waiting on my hard drive, but still vacillating on installing SP2....

Wish I was more decisive...

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Reply #15 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 11:20am
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Hmmm

Didn't have any problem like that. I didn't have SP2 installed in my XP Pro after all the criticisms I've read about it and I always thought it would reduce my FR in FS2004.

Far from it. Installed it for FSX and FS2004 runs smoothly and at least as fast as before. Could even be a bit quicker... Wink



Yes Sir!

Nothing wrong with SP2... 99% of the SP2 problems stem from AV being run while the update is being applied, an overclocked system which SOME PEOPLE think they can run while installing O/S and updates like that - OR - they did not reboot SEVERAL times after running the SP2 update and it was buggered because they went directly to making settings changes and cleaning out temp files before it had the chance to finish installing.

SP2 introduces a few new services and resets a few things that need to be turned off to recover the memory and CPU cycles the items suck, and that is why low memory systems may see a performance difference however once the junk has ben shut down, SP2 provides a FASTER platform for gaming.

Running the DX9 web update once every 3 months is also important. Many do not realize their DX9 is not up to date and it will install updated files based on finding SP2!


There is nothing wrong with SP2.



 
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Reply #16 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 11:23am
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x64 is here
Cheers
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Vista and Windows x64 are 2 different things.. you cant run x64 drivers on Windows Vista. the drivers must be specific for VISTA
 
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Reply #17 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 11:29am
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Roger,

Another thread (somewhere here) mentioned that the SP2 upgrade involved three or four package installations that if you didn't get them all, your machine would slow up. Did you see this when you installed SP2? I have the demo and SP2 sitting waiting on my hard drive, but still vacillating on installing SP2....

Wish I was more decisive...

Wink


After installing SP2, reboot the system at least 3 times waiting about 5 minutes between the reboots once it returns to the desktop.

After that is complete, got DIRECTLY to Windows Update and install ALL the SP2 and critical updates, reboot as it instructs... THEN RETURN to Windows Update... it may take as many as 4 returns to Windows Update to get all the updates for SP2

Once your finished at Windows Update, go to the Direct X website and dowload the latest Web Updater.. and run it

Reboot and your all set


 
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Or buy a mac and kiss goodbye to SP2 and rebooting. Grin
 

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Or buy a Mac and kiss goodbye to SP2 and rebooting. Grin


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Reply #20 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 12:25pm

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Nick,

What will need to be turned off once SP2 is installed? Windows Firewall, stuff like that I suppose. I use Firefox so I suppose I'll need to dust off IE to visit the Windows Update site.

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Reply #21 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:20pm
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What will need to be turned off once SP2 is installed? Windows Firewall, stuff like that I suppose. I use Firefox so I suppose I'll need to dust off IE to visit the Windows Update site.

Wink


Its really a shame the XP firewall has gotten such a bad rep from a combination VIRTUAL PARANOIA and ignorance because of lack of education in networking/software firewall technology. That firewall is all that is needed along with a Hardware NAT firewall provided by a Linksys or other router. This bit about running 3rd party firewall software on top of everything else is just plain Bull droppings and does nothing but PREY on paranoia by having boxes pop up saying"OH MY GOD.,.. YOUR SENDING A SIGNAL TO THE INTERNET!!!"

tOOO FUNNY and very sad. Additional firewal software kills performance even if you shut it down with some of them.

I use the Windows firewall and a Linksys Router... Never been hit and never will be.  Not worried about it even being on a 10000KB/s dedicated line.

The RIGHT AV and Spyware scanner software, run MANUALLY once a month does the rest.

NOD32 is the best because it integrates into the browser for max protection ... but it costs.

Shut down all AV and scanner software before installing SP2.


EDIT: Recap from above...


After installing SP2, reboot the system at least 3 times waiting about 5 minutes between the reboots once it returns to the desktop. 

After that is complete, got DIRECTLY to Windows Update and install ALL the SP2 and critical updates, reboot as it instructs... THEN RETURN to Windows Update... it may take as many as 4 returns to Windows Update to get all the updates for SP2

Once your finished at Windows Update, go to the Direct X website and dowload the latest Web Updater.. and run it

Reboot

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Once SP2 is completely installed with ALL the updates from Winders Update... I start the security center and under the "change how security center alerts me" disable it completely.


NEXT:
CONTROL PANEL – SYSTEM PROPERTIES

Under the Automatic Updates Tab:
Bullet in NEVER, click APPLY.  

NOTE: You need to add to your maintenance routine a reminder to go to Windows Update manually and check for CRITICAL updates and install them. (In the browser, select TOOLS – WINDOWS UPDATE) Only install critical updates unless you know what you are doing with the driver updates and extra Windows offerings.

The automatic system runs in the background, takes up resources and in my opinion does nothing for you.  

If you would rather have the automatic system, skip the above.

REMOTE TAB:
UNCHECK “Allow Remote Assistance” and “Allow Users to connect Remotely” Click APPLY

ADVANCED TAB:
ERROR REPORTING button, DISABLE ERROR REPORTING, everything else CLEARED, click OK

Performance - SETTINGS button UNCHECK ALL ITEMS EXCEPT the following:

Show windows content while dragging
Smooth edges of screen fonts
Use common tasks in folders <-- Optional, I use this but you can deselect
Use drop Shadows for Icon labels on the desktop <--Optional, I use this but you can deselect
Use Visual styles on Windows Buttons

The above settings will keep windows looking sharp but without the memory drain.  

Click APPLY... under the ADVANCED TAB in that same box: MAKE SURE BOTH AREAS ARE SET TO: PROGRAMS, if not change them to PROGRAMS and click APPLY then OK to close the box.

I then shutdown the following services in the service list:

CONTROL PANEL – ADMINISTRATION TOOLS – SERVICE

Each service I list below has the exact same procedure to shutting it down. All you have to do is the following to each service on the list:

1. Double click the service.  

2. STARTUP TYPE: change it to DISABLED, click APPLY.  

3. LOGON TAB: HARDWARE PROFILE BOX – double click your hardware profile and it should change the login under the SERVICE column to DISABLED, click APPLY and OK.

4. Go to the next service and repeat the process

Here is the list: (note: some of these may not appear in your service list)

ALERTER
ATI HOTKEY POLLER (if you use a ATI card)
CLIPBOOK
ERROR REPORTING SERVICE
(THIS ONE IS OPTIONAL, I DON’T USE IT) HELP AND SUPPORT
INDEXING SERVICES
MESSENGER (this is not MSN)
NETMEETING REMOTE DETECT
NETWORK DDE
NETWORK DDE DSDM
PERFORMANCE LOGS AND ALERTS
REMOTE REGISTRY
ROUTING AND REMOTE ACCESS
SECURITY CENTER (only removes the nag, not security)
TELNET (SOME PROGRAMS MIGHT NEED THIS BUT I DON’T USE IT)

REBOOT


Then do the following:

NEXT:
It’s time to clean up your hard drive and use defrag software . Find and delete everything out of the following folders:

C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR ACCOUNT NAME\Local Settings\Temp
C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR ACCOUNT NAME\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files
C:\Windows\Prefetch  
C:\Windows\Temp

There may be files that will refuse to delete. If that happens note the file names and let me know what they are. If that does happen and the delete operation is halted, you can select all and while holding the CTRL key deselect the file(s) that refused to delete which should continue the operation. Repeat that process until you get rid of all the files in those folders. Try rebooting and deleting the stubborn files but if they just won’t delete report the leftover file names to me. They could be Trojans or viruses. Usually they are harmless such as windows defrag data files.  

Empty the recycle bin, then right click it, select PROPERTIES and select "USE ONE SETTING FOR ALL DRIVES" set the slider to 1-2%, I use 1% but I have HUGE drives. Its up to you but dont set it over 3%

Click APPLY

The Windows XP Performance counters are not needed unless you are a network junkie and use them… here is how to shut them down and recover CPU cycles:

Download this package from Microsoft:  

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7ff99683-b7ec-4 da6-92ab-793193604ba4&DisplayLang=en

Run the installer: exctrlst_setup.exe

Once installed you will have no shortcut to the tool… simply browse to:

C:\Program Files\Resource Kit

Double click the file: exctrlst.exe

A box will appear. Make sure there is a bullet in “SERVICE”

There is a list of services showing in the lower pane of the box, slimply click the top service in that list to HIGHLIGHT IT and CLEAR the check OUT OF THE BOX labled “Performance Counters Enabled”

Scroll down the list and repeat the highlight\uncheck until EVERY SERVICE in that list displays a cleared check, ... verify you got them all then close the box



You just killed the WINDOWSxp background CPU sucker


Defrag the disk... but you may want to do more to get your system even cleaner before defraging, especially the boot system. I suggest this thread for a complete rundown on how to clean up the system for optimal performance:

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=COF;action=display;num=115...










 
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Reply #22 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:38pm

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Nick,

Many thanks for this stunningly detailed tute! If this doesn't get me on the right road, nothing will! I'll let you know how it goes.

Martyn
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Reply #23 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:41pm
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Nick,

Many thanks for this stunningly detailed tute! If this doesn't get me on the right road, nothing will! I'll let you know how it goes.

Martyn
Wink


If you want I can post a list of settings/proceedures that will lock your system up so tight, no hacker would wast time screwing with it even if they found an open port to work with.


 
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That would be great - thanks. My XP Home installation operates through a Netgear router with a built-in hardware firewall, although I do have the Windows firewall disabled.

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Reply #25 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 1:58pm
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That would be great - thanks. My XP Home installation operates through a Netgear router with a built-in hardware firewall, although I do have the Windows firewall disabled.

Wink


I would enable it... but it will enable automatically with SP2


SP2 is actually needed for maximum Windows Security, without it you are definitely open to attack no matter what you are running for security and Firefox does NOT make it safer.

That's another story I wont get into right now.

I will post a complete security list when I have time, right now I am at my office and cannot spend the time on it but I will post it some time this evening. Once implemented you will be more secure than than Queen Guinevere surrounded by the knights of the round table.

All you need to do is make sure you visit Winders update once a month for the critical updates, nothing else.
 
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So much useful hints! Thanks a lot Nick!
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Reply #28 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 10:52pm

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Vista and Windows x64 are 2 different things.. you cant run x64 drivers on Windows Vista. the drivers must be specific for VISTA


check the link. Its for Vista x64 Wink

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Reply #29 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 10:53pm

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Or buy a mac and kiss goodbye to SP2 and rebooting. Grin


\And realise that your running a Vista looking Unix PC.

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Reply #30 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 12:06am

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Okay, got it. I had to uninstall SP2, defrag, and do a harddrive cleanup, then reinstall SP2, defrag again, reinstall all updates, and it now works.

Overall I'm very happy with FSX. With my setup I got a constant 12FPS with everything absolutely maxed, and 35FPS with everything in "Ultra High" with a resolution of 1024x768x32.

So I must say I am very happy with what I am seeing, and as soon as I get a second 7900GT then I will be completely satisfied with max everything and around 35FPS. The one thing that I found disapointing was that FSX isn't taking full advantage of both my cores. Its loading the first one fully, and only giving the second about 5% of the load. You guys with dual core processers should take a look at that.

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Reply #31 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 12:54am
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Okay, got it. I had to uninstall SP2, defrag, and do a harddrive cleanup, then reinstall SP2, defrag again, reinstall all updates, and it now works.

Overall I'm very happy with FSX. With my setup I got a constant 12FPS with everything absolutely maxed, and 35FPS with everything in "Ultra High" with a resolution of 1024x768x32.

So I must say I am very happy with what I am seeing, and as soon as I get a second 7900GT then I will be completely satisfied with max everything and around 35FPS. The one thing that I found disapointing was that FSX isn't taking full advantage of both my cores. Its loading the first one fully, and only giving the second about 5% of the load. You guys with dual core processers should take a look at that.

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Aren't you running a 550? Or do you mean Logical cores Wink

Also, did you get new mobo?
 
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Reply #32 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 1:31am

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Yes I do mean logical cores, and I did get a new motherboard, the ASUS P5ND2 SLi and yes hyperthreading is enabled.

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Reply #33 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 4:26am
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Reply #34 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 6:16am

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So I must say I am very happy with what I am seeing, and as soon as I get a second 7900GT then I will be completely satisfied with max everything and around 35FPS. The one thing that I found disapointing was that FSX isn't taking full advantage of both my cores. Its loading the first one fully, and only giving the second about 5% of the load. You guys with dual core processers should take a look at that.

My AMD also loads one core before it uses the second one.

With the 7950 installed I average right at 40 FPS at medium high and a res of 1680 x 1050.

I tried it maxed out and averaged about 25 FPS. I will turn my resolution down and see what happens.

Am curious to see how your 7900 x2 works out
 

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Reply #35 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 6:21am

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Am curious to see how your 7900 x2 works out


As am I, but it will probibly be november before we find out. I have a long list of Airsoft and other stuff that I need to buy for events in the upcoming month, so with the exception of a 320GB SATA drive, cus my 80GBs are full, its going to be a long time before Sheila sees any hardware changes, unless I get a $200 bonous this month. In that case, I will grab that second 7900GT and we will find out sooner.

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I set the resolution to 1024x768 and everything I could at ultra high. I did not move the sliders, will save that for later.

With the lower resolution I averaged 30-35 FPS.

Due to a screw up on an RMAed 7800 I have a second 7950 coming. I got a little excited when I got the news.

The reviews I read on the quad SLI were not that good, but I want to find out first hand.

Would love to try this in Vista but there are still no drivers for the 7950.
 

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Well I can tell you right now that the Vista hardware acceleration really sucks.

As for quad SLi, yea that kinda took a nose dive. It was too expensive, and no one went for it.

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Well I can tell you right now that the Vista hardware acceleration really sucks.

As for quad SLi, yea that kinda took a nose dive. It was too expensive, and no one went for it.

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Reply #39 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 9:44am
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In fsX, I heard the second core is used for the scenery, and there isn't much scenery in the demo :S Maybe over land it'll be utilized better?
 
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Reply #40 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 12:12pm
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I set the resolution to 1024x768 and everything I could at ultra high. I did not move the sliders, will save that for later.

With the lower resolution I averaged 30-35 FPS.

Due to a screw up on an RMAed 7800 I have a second 7950 coming. I got a little excited when I got the news.

The reviews I read on the quad SLI were not that good, but I want to find out first hand.

Would love to try this in Vista but there are still no drivers for the 7950.


Assuming your driver support is there and baring DX10... you will have the system FSX was designed to run on. I would run above 1024x768. Run it at the native resolution of your monitor. If it is a CRT and not LCD, and assuming it ca run 80-120Hz refresh, bump the refresh rate up.

@ Cam
I dont know if you saw the thread I posted with the FSX.cfg but you should give that a try as a base for setting up. On a 7900GT and without SLI I suggest leaving the LOD radius @ 3.5-4. and the airport/cars detail @ medium

 
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Reply #41 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 12:49pm
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Okay, got it. I had to uninstall SP2, defrag, and do a harddrive cleanup, then reinstall SP2, defrag again, reinstall all updates, and it now works.



Yep...

99.9% of SP2 related issues stem from initial install and maintenance problems

I kinda figured you got the SP2 reboot bork the first time you installed it which is where most people get bit.



 
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Reply #42 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 1:12pm
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That would be great - thanks. My XP Home installation operates through a Netgear router with a built-in hardware firewall, although I do have the Windows firewall disabled.

Wink


I am sorry I have not gotten back to you on the security settings.. This week has turned out to be rather busy.

I started to put together a list and then realized that I needed to refine the post to assure no one gets locked out of their system. There are different levels of security XP can be set up for and I am developing a thread post which will address them with proper warnings during the critical steps so everyone can decide how far they wish to go and still well protected.

I should have it posted this weekend.


 
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Reply #43 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 3:18pm

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Run it at the native resolution of your monitor. If it is a CRT and not LCD, and assuming it ca run 80-120Hz refresh, bump the refresh rate up


Native resolution for this monitor (LCD) is 1680 x 1050. With the processor I have I will be quite happy if I can run everything at high.

Ultra high would be nice, but not necessarily a requirement with me.
 

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Reply #44 - Aug 18th, 2006 at 3:37pm
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Native resolution for this monitor (LCD) is 1680 x 1050. With the processor I have I will be quite happy if I can run everything at high.

Ultra high would be nice, but not necessarily a requirement with me.



You probably already know, however If you drop the resolution make sure it is an even factor of the native res.

The demo is nothing like the real deal when it comes to being smooth and stable... you won't have any problems with your system assuming you get the right driver support..

Also, if you have not already done so.. check out the AMD website for the latest dual core optimizer and driver released in June

 
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Reply #45 - Aug 19th, 2006 at 6:13am

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MSXML4 is nothing to do with Vista, and might be partly related to Service Pack 2 in as much that SP2 might install MSXML4 as a matter of course.

Not an expert in this, but I think possibly MSXML4 might microsoft's XML parser. Basically a small file which allows WinXP to recognise XML structures, which FSX uses.

XML is microsoft's own mutation of SGML.

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