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Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:13pm
flymo   Ex Member

 
im getting a new rig. just wonderd if any one could give me an insight as to how they think FSX mite run on it.

cpu - AMD Athlon 64 4000+ Socket939 , San Diego Core, 2.4GHz , 1MB Cache, Retail

gpu - nVidia GeForce 7800GT

hdd - 250 Gb Maxtor 6V250F0 DiamondMax 10, SATA300, 7200 rpm, 16MB Cache, 9.0 ms, NCQ

ram - 1GB Corsair XMS, DDR PC3200 (400), 184 Pin, Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 2-3-3-6

MB -  Asrock AR-939DUAL-SATA2 ULi M1695, S939, AGP / PCI-Express, DDR 400, SATA II, SATA RAID, ATX

psu 500w

plus a coolermaster case. but thats not realy to do with performance (well mb if it rly is a cool master and has excellent airflow as claimed)

thank you for looking

john.
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:20pm

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Looks good, but I'd say 2 gigs of RAM at least.
 

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Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:21pm

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Just so you know, that rig will expire in about 6 months. Grin
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:29pm
flymo   Ex Member

 
cheers kat. u sinical bugger

if i can get that little more cash i will add anotehr 1gig stick. and then mb top that up to 3gig after xmas.(if MB will take it)

the OC can always be OC though whihc is a +

thanks for takeing the time to anser my question guys muchly appreciated

john
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Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:40pm

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Just so you know, that rig will expire in about 6 months. Grin

I agree 100%.
If your buying this for FSX, dont buy it now. Theres no rush, wait till the final specs are released, this will also give you more time to save more money thus go for higher specs. Its impossible to say yes the system will be good right now because no-one knows what its going to need.
 
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:48pm

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Don't buy.

Wait for DX10 compatible video cards.

That cpu is dated.

Get atleast 2 gigs of ram.
 

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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 5:50pm
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Agreed with the wait comments..



but if you cant wait, 2gigs of memory and a GOOD DUAL Processor

Everything else is fine
 
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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 9:12pm

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Just so you know, that rig will expire in about 6 months. Grin

So will any other PC he chooses to buy. Grin
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 9:15pm
PisTon   Ex Member

 
Great, 2gb of RAM isn't needed for fsX, but get it for Vista and other apps. also get an 7900GT instead. They are slightly more expensive by twice as fast.

Oh and get a dual core processor, maybe 4600 x2 or 5000+ x2. Oh and get a Seagate or Western Digital HD instead. My experiances with Maxtors is they fail and are loud.
 
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Reply #9 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 3:58am
flymo   Ex Member

 
im not a purely dedicated FS player.
im a gamer who spends somewhere in the area of 30hours a week on other great titles. so this rig is not purely for FSX. but thanks for the advice fellas.

i have been pondering over whether to go duel core or not. and now im strongly going towards it.

cheers

john.
 
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Reply #10 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 4:51am
PisTon   Ex Member

 
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im not a purely dedicated FS player.
im a gamer who spends somewhere in the area of 30hours a week on other great titles. so this rig is not purely for FSX. but thanks for the advice fellas.

i have been pondering over whether to go duel core or not. and now im strongly going towards it.

cheers

john.

OK, definatly Dual core, then 4600+ x2 and 5000x2 have had massive price drops, so they shouldn't cost more than the 4000+.

Also, if you play other games, 2gb RAM is a must, BF2 runs like crap with 1gb.

Same with the 7900GT Wink
 
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Reply #11 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 7:04am
flymo   Ex Member

 
looking at priced 2day and the 7900GT i found for cheaper than the 7800 i was getting. had all the same stuff 256mb HDTV all that crap but was a higher end card for cheaper. so thought BARGAIN.

i am now going with a duel core. 2.4ghz AMD hopeing it will OverClock, if not 2.4ghz will do me for a year or so

if u think BF2 runs crap on 1gig of ram

i run it atm on


just rememberd. it sais i will have to do a bios upgrade for the processor to work properly. does that come with the processor or do i have to download ir from somewhere??
GeForce FX5500
AMD athlon 1700+pro (1.5ghz)
512mb ram

now that makes it run like crap. works tho...well kinda Tongue
 
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Reply #12 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 7:35am

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Wait, do wait! It's wasted cash really. Wait until at least after Xmas, but if you can wait until the DirectX10 cards are out. You will see a price drop after Vista and direct x9 cards after certain dates too.
 

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Reply #13 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 8:20am

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My advice would be:

1) Get MS to tell you what they used.

2) Wait ! read reports etc.

3)  Go for as much raw processing power as you possibly can.

4) Go for as much RAM as the best boards support.

I would also suggest dual core processing, again sheer processing power is the key. See if you can stretch your wallet to a MAC quad G5, or one of the latest intel MAC's at top spec. MACs now run windows apps.

Cost is likely to be the major factor.

Personally, I'll be going MAC later in the year purely for the power of these machines and the ability to break from MS when desired.

The cost will probably be around £2500+ As you can see this is an exceptional case, the average punter is locked into the same old cycle of upgrades. So my main advice is wait, wait and read ! This policy will get it right for you.

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Reply #14 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 10:38am
flymo   Ex Member

 
kl. well cost is a major factor, il only have about £800 tops to spend on this machine and would like some left over to go out and celebrate my 18th bday.
 
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Reply #15 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 11:25am

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*slow motion*

Noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.................. Shocked

Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!...........

*back to normal motion*

Don't get a new comp now!  Bad idea.  Like katahu said, it'll become outdated all too soon... ???

Wait for vista, DX10, and anything else DX10 compatible.  Besides if you wait, you'll have saved up more money! Wink

Time sucks...  esp. when others are constantly working to make your current hardware suck... Angry
 

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Reply #16 - Aug 14th, 2006 at 8:05pm

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I didnt read what everybody else said but you get the 7800GT in SLI and add another stick of ram to that you will be good for about anther year or 2
 
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Reply #17 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 3:00am
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OK, definatly Dual core, then 4600+ x2 and 5000x2 have had massive price drops, so they shouldn't cost more than the 4000+.

Also, if you play other games, 2gb RAM is a must, BF2 runs like crap with 1gb.

Same with the 7900GT Wink


4000+ costs less than 3800 X2, at least in the US. 3700+ and 4000+ are rock bottom now. I would go with 4400+ instead of 4600+. It has more cache.

If you are building for FSX the best thing to do is wait.

BTW what's with the ASRock and 7800? Are you building an AGP machine? If you are going with AMD get an SLI board.
 
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Reply #18 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 3:03am
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4000+ costs less than 3800 X2, at least in the US. 3700+ and 4000+ are rock bottom now. I would go with 4400+ instead of 4600+. It has more cache.

If you are building for FSX the best thing to do is wait.

BTW what's with the ASRock and 7800? Are you building an AGP machine?

1mb Cache Athlon x2s havn't had a price drop.
 
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Reply #19 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 3:08am
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1mb Cache Athlon x2s havn't had a price drop.


Yes, they have. Grin

I have a feeling this thread will be moved to the hardware forum. Grin
 
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Reply #20 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 4:59am
flymo   Ex Member

 
like i said money is a major factor. waiting for DX10 and things cos all that will cost a fortune. this system isnt just for FSX i just wanted to know how it would run on it.

changes:

cpu:AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
£160.85 Inc VAT

GPU:EVGA GeForce 7900 GT 256MB GDDR3 HDTV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-006-EA)
£190.29
(4th down)

+1 more 1gig of ram (same as in first spread)

imite go SLI but i doubt i will be able to afford a second 7900GT for some time so probs no point.

in fairness even if i was to wait 6 months for DX10 things, give that 6 months and then the first card i bought for DX10 would be out of date. so realy. i may as well upgrade now. make the basic system then update again in a years time or something.

any system u buy (unless stupidly good like a top range voodoo system) will be out of date in 6 months
 
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Reply #21 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 6:41am
PisTon   Ex Member

 
Not really.
My X850XTPE is way older  than 6 months old and is still rated almost highend.
The only diferance is if you buy a a DX10 card it'll last: like 9800pros are still lower midrange and can play all games on above Medium settings.
If you buy DX9 now, it's like a Geforce 4, which were outdated quickly with the coming of DX9.
 
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Reply #22 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 7:11am

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I'm running basically the same computer you just described with a video card X 1900 and 2 Ghz and I can tell you right now , you won't regret it...Mike Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 7:54am

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Flymo

At any point in time, whenever that may be, as and when you upgrade whatever hardware you choose will to some extent be outdated before you even have it out of the wrapper.

You cannot expect to lay claim to having the 'very latest' etc, it doesn't work that way because although you make your choice the manufacturers are certainly not standing still.

What IS important is that your hardware should suit YOUR current and anticipated needs. With things in a state of flux at the moment the general concensus seems to be 'wait and see'

There are some people around who can afford to try out differing systems, and are kind enough to let us know what works best.

Patience...is the right policy here.

Regards
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Reply #24 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 11:59am

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/\ Like he said. Grin

Basically, what Jasper s trying to say is that those with high-end systems normally volunteer to become "involuntary" guinea pigs. Grin
 
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Reply #25 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 12:45pm

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Couldn't have put it better myself Grin
 

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Reply #26 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 1:30pm
flymo   Ex Member

 
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become "involuntary" guinea pigs


i hope those guinea pigs where bred for that, otherwise some animal right wackos will be a knockin Tongue

i agrre with you entirely jasper and kat.
 
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Reply #27 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 6:14pm
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cpu:AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+
£160.85 Inc VAT

GPU:EVGA GeForce 7900 GT 256MB GDDR3 HDTV-Out/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-006-EA) 
£190.29 
(4th down) 

+1 more 1gig of ram (same as in first spread)


Some suggestions:

Buy 2x1GB RAM. If you buy 4x512MB you can't run the RAM at the highest speed.

Instead of that 4600+ try to get the 4400+. It is a little cheaper and has double the cache and a better core.

Don't buy that ASRock board. ASRock are cheap boards and ULi chipsets suck. Get an SLI board. Even if you are not gonna use SLI right away. In the future when prices drop you may want to pick up another video card. Also, SLI boards have nForce chipsets.

Get a quality PSU. Generic PSU don't belong in high end systems. Here is a list of PSU brands, rated by quality:

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=82666

Cheers
 
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Reply #28 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 6:46pm

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Once you have decided on which computer you want to buy, you might want to check out the following website. They sell refurbished high-end computers for a lower cost compared to sites like Dell, Compaq, Alienware, etc.

www.tigerdirect.com
 
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Reply #29 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 7:24pm
flymo   Ex Member

 
thanks guys.
ill look into the 4400+

however i was reading in computer shopper the other month that cache size only realy matters for media editing or something, and will not effect gameing performance that much?
lie or truth? (asking seriously)

and if you think branded PSU's make any kind of differance your a fool. its power. its a bog standard part of a computer. i 20quid PSU will do me fine. im not paying 80 of quid for a supposed better way of delivering 500w. their is only one way it can be supplied and thats the same way its done in any PSU.

 
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Reply #30 - Aug 15th, 2006 at 8:55pm
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Yeah, you're right about the 4400. The 4600 is faster, I guess thats why it costs more. You can check it out on this CPU chart.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=235&chart=63&model2=234

If I had the choice I would still take the 4400 over the 4600 because it has more cache, the FX series are based on the Toledo core, and it will overclock higher than a Manchester.

However, you are wrong on the PSU. A quality PSU makes a big difference over a generic one. Not all PSUs are created equal. There is a better way of delivering 500W. On a generic PSU the cheap capacitors will age quickly and you will lose wattage. The rails will also have low amps and you will not have a stable system. A quality PSU will give you stable voltages, less ripple, higher efficiency, reliable power output, and longer life.
 
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Reply #31 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:17am
flymo   Ex Member

 
o..k... im sorry but for me a PSU is a PSU. and from electronics and physics (AS) a capaciter is a fookin capaciter. if you believe in branded capaciters then, your loss. i have had a so called "generic" PSU for 3 years never blown no capacitors have gone or anything.
so im sticking with generic ones. and at least if a 20quid one blows im not haveing to fork out 80quid for so called branded capacitors and things.

on the CPU matter. i want to overclock my CPU when i get it. hopefully to a nice stable 2.6 or around their.

so which one would the majority of u take. the 4400+ or the 4600+, which one has the better OC capability, the MOBO is also very overcloackable as my mate has one and has overclocked his CPU from 2.0GHZ to 2.8GHZ.
 
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Reply #32 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 5:19am
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There are allot of horror stories with poor PSUs though. I'd buy a good one for added safety.

I mean, www.newegg.com and read reviews of cheap ones, they often fail.
 
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Reply #33 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 11:11am

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You guys are making me weep! My motherboard won't accept 2 gBs of RAM!! And I've only (ONLY!!) got a 2 gHz processor!! I think I'll go play FS9; at least that runs great on my rig...

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Reply #34 - Aug 16th, 2006 at 2:34pm
flymo   Ex Member

 
lol
your rig is still better than my current one. 1.5gz processor, 512mb ram. 100gig hdd,Geforce FX5500 its actualy rather poop.

 
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