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Aug 11th, 2006 at 6:01pm

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when I play the demo, for some reason a big black bar takes up about a forth of the screen at the bottom.  please help/
 
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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 6:07pm

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Well, maybe change resolution? remember it's only a demo.. so don't expect much. Smiley
 

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Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 6:11pm

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I had the same problem after installing a 3rd party aircraft. Try hitting Alt + Enter a few times.
 

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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 7:26pm

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neither of those things worked Sad it worked before Sad
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 7:36pm

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Did you change anything before it happened? I suspect you installed an aircraft like me. If so, exit FSX remove the addon & then play around with the views. You might also like to check your display settings. It should revert to normal like mine did.
 

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Reply #5 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 8:05pm

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is there anyway to get rid of the bar and still have the addon ACs?
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 8:11pm

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Do you have the latest drivers?

When I first installed the demo onto my laptop, the water kept loosing its texture and parts of the aircraft model was shaded black or white. However, all that went away after I installed the Omega Drivers. You can get the Omega Drivers by clicking here.
 
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Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 8:13pm

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is there anyway to get rid of the bar and still have the addon ACs?

I really don't know. I have no idea what causes it - yet. I shall investigate.
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 11:57pm

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Hi
the black bar has to do with the 2d panel info in the panel.cfg (well it did on my system)kinda like fs9 when you loaded a new aircraft and the 2d panel was all mucked up
I found removing the 2d panel all together from the panel.cfg (just leave the VC cockpit entrys) fixed it,iits prob. just a case of different window default sizes in FSX,havnt had a chance to sort out the real cause but ist prob something very simple
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Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 8:50am

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I found removing the 2d panel all together from the panel.cfg (just leave the VC cockpit entrys) fixed it,iits prob. just a case of different window default sizes in FSX,havnt had a chance to sort out the real cause but ist prob something very simple
Wozza


Thanks Wozza. I found the culprit. It had to be something simple. Open Panel.cfg in Notepad & either delete or remark this line.

render_3d_window=1

Changing the value to 0 might also do the trick.
 

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Reply #10 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 1:13pm

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You folks are all over the map on this "issue..."

The so-called "black bar" is simply the bottom edge of the 3d-View Window.  Normally, the Window00 section is configured such that the lower edge of the 3d-View Window falls just below the top edge of the 2d panel.

It is done this way for two reasons.

First: Performance - there's little point rendering pixels that're covered up by the 2d panel!

Second: Point of View - having the 3d-View Window sized this way allows a better view of the taxiway/runway, and also moves the horizon line to a proper perspective with respect to the 2d panel.

To summarize the "issue," if you see a "big black bar" at the bottom of the screen, it simply means that your 2d panel isn't displaying!!! Wink

Shift-1 will turn it back on...

Keep in mind that the entire camera/view system in FSX has changed. There are now multiple "sub-views" for each of the previous S views.

I would urge everyone to simply sit still and cycle through all the view options, beginning with the VC (default) view.

Press the A key to cycle through all of the "Cockpit View" cameras.

Now, press the S key to switch to the next major View Category, and again cycle through all the sub-view options with the A key.
 

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Reply #11 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 1:19pm

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You folks are all over the map on this "issue..."

I don't think so. The "black band" displays in all views but only on some 3rd party aircraft. I don't have the 2D panel enabled. My fix works.
 

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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 1:31pm

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Hey Bill
we talking about a different prob here (think its a demo only prob as MS prob left a fair bit out Wink )
the whole screen ends up in the wrong ratio (ie in external view aircraft looks skinny)
as Hager has found its related to 3rd party aircraft with the render to 3d line in the panel.cfg others have found that changing the
[Default View] Ysize also had an effect
prob the same thing its all a trial and error thing we all learning as we go mate Wink

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Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 2:06pm

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the whole screen ends up in the wrong ratio (ie in external view aircraft looks skinny)

[Default View] Ysize also had an effect
prob the same thing its all a trial and error thing we all learning as we go mate Wink

cheers
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Cheers Wozza!

Ah, that puts an entirely new spin on the issue then.

BTW, the [Default View] Y Size is how the 3d-View's bottom edge is set, but should have no effect whatever on the various "Spot Views" or VC View(s).

IOW, that Y Size parameter should only be effective in the 2d Panel View.

BTW, all of the Eaglesoft a/c have ported over to FSX with absolutely ZERO problems, so apparently we at least know what we're doing...  Cheesy 8)
 

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Reply #14 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 2:11pm

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This is a limited bug with some 3rd party aircraft. I happened on it by accident & suspect the panels were originally created for CFS2. The FS2002/4 default panels don't have that render_3d_window=1 CFG entry. Changing the value to 0 fixes it.
 

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Reply #15 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 2:33pm

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BTW, all of the Eaglesoft a/c have ported over to FSX with absolutely ZERO problems, so apparently we at least know what we're doing...  Cheesy 8)

Well ya had a head start give us time Cheesy
Most of my older stuff gone in with only a few minor probs so looks like fsds2 and 3 is still in the game Wink
I like what I see so far,but Id hate to see what Heathrow with clouds is going to be like.never like those post holiday slide shows LOL nothing a few grands worth of $$$ wont fix Im sure
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Reply #16 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 2:36pm

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This is a limited bug with some 3rd party aircraft. I happened on it by accident & suspect the panels were originally created for CFS2. The FS2002/4 default panels don't have that render_3d_window=1 CFG entry. Changing the value to 0 fixes it.

Hager
Hmm I always thouht the render_3d_window was so the 2d panel was included in the black out/red out ect function but as I came from cfs2 I kinda carried that over with me to fs9
so not sure if its the same in fs9.At least its an easy fix
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Reply #17 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 2:53pm

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Hmm I always thouht the render_3d_window was so the 2d panel was included in the black out/red out ect function but as I came from cfs2 I kinda carried that over with me to fs9
so not sure if its the same in fs9.At least its an easy fix
Wozza

Hi Wozza. That render_3D_window= line originally came from CFS1. (I mention it in my Panel Clinic which was the first tute I ever had posted on this site many years ago.) It's not included in the default panels with any version of FS. AFAIK

Just to demonstrate what we're talking about here.

Before
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After
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Sorted. Wink
 

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Reply #18 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 3:15pm

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Hey Hagar(spelt it right that time Smiley )
I just did some tests to make sure I wasnt loosing my long term memory Smiley
If you have the render_3d window in FS9 the 2d panel blacks out when you pull high Gs,if not then the 2d panel stays visable no matter what G's you pull so its still a viable entry in fs9
the next fun one for fs9 to fsx conver is that untextured parts turn black and transperent material thats not textured go bye bye still working on that one Cheesy
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