Simviation Forum - Anyone know the story behind this shot?

Aug 5^th, 2006 at 12:35pm

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I found this picture just a few minutes ago and was just wondering how could something like that happen? Anyone know the story?

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Reply #1 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 12:42pm

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I don't know the story but I think you can safely call it an almighty balls-up Grin

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Reply #2 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 12:48pm

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The jet had been a naughty aeroplane and was being dangled over the edge by its ankles as a punishment... Wink

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Reply #3 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 1:26pm

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No idea, but I would imagine that they both have a brown substance dripping from the lowest point Grin

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Reply #4 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 3:26pm

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I think he ment to slow down, but insted he put the afterburners on.

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Reply #5 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 3:31pm

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I think he ment to slow down, but insted he put the afterburners on.

Carrier jockys go to full power at touch down until they feel retardation don't they?

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Reply #6 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 3:55pm

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Carrier jockys go to full power at touch down until they feel retardation don't they?

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I think I'd leave it on until I'd stopped! Grin

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Reply #7 - Aug 5^th, 2006 at 5:31pm

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I think I'd leave it on until I'd stopped! Grin

Stopped, I would get out, put the chocks in, chain her down and then chop it Grin

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Reply #8 - Aug 6^th, 2006 at 1:26am

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well what i think what happend, he touched down too late too slow, wasnt able to speed up enough to take off again so he dropped off the edge and his tailhook caught the safty net Grin

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Reply #9 - Aug 8^th, 2006 at 11:39pm

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He was possibly not chained downed correctly or even a taxi mishap Wink

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Reply #10 - Aug 9^th, 2006 at 10:20am

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The story is someone was in a world of $#!% for breaking uncle sam's airpane.

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Reply #11 - Aug 9^th, 2006 at 5:11pm

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The heading... " Gone Fishing" would look soooo cool in that pic!

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Reply #12 - Aug 16^th, 2006 at 3:07am

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The heading... " Gone Fishing" would look soooo cool in that pic!

How about, "I want my mummy!!!"

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Reply #13 - Dec 12^th, 2006 at 7:50am

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The second one looks like the plane had tail hook problems and had to catch the net and things went a little wrong and ended up over the side.

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Reply #14 - Dec 13^th, 2006 at 11:45pm

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Reply #15 - Dec 14^th, 2006 at 6:41am

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The first appears to be hanging from the tail hook. The second, it's hard to tell if it's tangled in the net or not. On the first I'm not sure if the tail hook was extended or if that's the way the tail hook stores when it is in the "up" position. The answer to that may help answer whether or not this was a landing incident or a taxi/tie down problem.

The second really looks like a photo from the Forestall incident. That's the Vietnam era fire they had that killed a whole bunch of people. During the fire they were pushing planes off the deck to keep them from adding fuel and explosives to the flames and this may be one of the planes they tried to dump overboard. Not sure if this photo is from that incident, and if it IS in fact a plane tangled in the net then that doesn't match. But I remember seeing photos like that one from Forestal.

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Reply #16 - Dec 14^th, 2006 at 6:42am

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expat wrote on Aug 5^th, 2006 at 3:31pm:

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I think he ment to slow down, but insted he put the afterburners on.

Carrier jockys go to full power at touch down until they feel retardation don't they?

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You gotta be a little crazy to land a plane on a carrier. But "retardation" is a pretty strong word, isn't it?

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Reply #17 - Dec 14^th, 2006 at 9:40pm

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#2 : Was not chained down right
#1 : Was a bad landing in a crosswind
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Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2006 at 3:03pm

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Ravang wrote on Dec 14^th, 2006 at 9:40pm:

#1 : Was a bad landing in a crosswind

Given that the arresting cables are at an angle relative to the ship's motion, are not all landings on a modern carrier (excluding STOL and ski-jump carriers) crosswind landings?

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Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2006 at 5:47pm

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elite marksman wrote on Dec 15^th, 2006 at 3:03pm:

Ravang wrote on Dec 14^th, 2006 at 9:40pm:

#1 : Was a bad landing in a crosswind

Given that the arresting cables are at an angle relative to the ship's motion, are not all landings on a modern carrier (excluding STOL and ski-jump carriers) crosswind landings?

Not necessarily. If there is any natural wind the carrier can just take a heading that puts the net wind (wind from forward motion plus natural wind) directly down the centerline of the runway. If there's no natural wind then yes there's some cross wind. Also, the carrier may not be in a position to change heading (depending on local shorelines, fleet activity, etc) in which case there may be significant crosswind.

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Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2006 at 7:27pm

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In order to account for the forward motion of the carrier, it would require the aft-port quarter to the forward-starboard quarter in order to have a net wind parallel to the landing area. However, such conditions are not conducive to takeoff operations. Assuming that launch and recovery are taking place simultaneously, what is the optimal direction for the wind, as any headwind puts the landing aircraft at a crosswind of 10-15+ knots, depending on heading of wind, ship, and speed of the ship.

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Reply #21 - Dec 16^th, 2006 at 11:56am

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Arrestor cable failure

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Reply #22 - Dec 16^th, 2006 at 9:22pm

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elite marksman wrote on Dec 15^th, 2006 at 7:27pm:

In order to account for the forward motion of the carrier, it would require the aft-port quarter to the forward-starboard quarter in order to have a net wind parallel to the landing area. However, such conditions are not conducive to takeoff operations. Assuming that launch and recovery are taking place simultaneously, what is the optimal direction for the wind, as any headwind puts the landing aircraft at a crosswind of 10-15+ knots, depending on heading of wind, ship, and speed of the ship.

I'm sure it depends on what planes are flying that day, the sea conditions, the load outs of the planes involved (both launch and recovery), etc. Given the relative difficulties of landing and taking off though I'd bet they opt for cross wind on launch versus landing. But given the complexity of fleet operations and such I'd bet carrier pilots are doing cross wind landings with regularity.

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Reply #23 - Dec 16^th, 2006 at 10:06pm

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Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2007 at 1:19am

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There is one thing very similar to this one.

There was an aircraft like this, crashing on deck and falling into water. There's a video of it. The guy who was filming on deck caught the pilot, who tried to get out of the cockpit of the sinking aircraft. But the cockpit glass was unable to move (and jump seat didn't work either). You see the pilot trying to open it. And at some point, he looked straight to the camera, then he took off his helmet (putting it on his lap), then he put his hands together, and waited for death.

That's a very sad story, I think Sad

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Reply #25 - Jan 20^th, 2007 at 10:56pm

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Looks like he missed the wires and he couldn't take back off.

I would of craped my pants Cheesy

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Reply #26 - Jan 27^th, 2007 at 5:42pm

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Chris_F wrote on Dec 14^th, 2006 at 6:42am:

expat wrote on Aug 5^th, 2006 at 3:31pm:

[quote author=gijake link=1154795706/0#4 date=1154805994]I think he ment to slow down, but insted he put the afterburners on.

Carrier jockys go to full power at touch down until they feel retardation don't they?

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You gotta be a little crazy to land a plane on a carrier. But "retardation" is a pretty strong word, isn't it?

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"retardation" is not strong at all. In fact I think it means to slow down.

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Reply #27 - May 26^th, 2007 at 1:29pm

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They keep the 'burners on as a precaution - in case the plane misses the arrestor wires and needs to take off again.

They often use the word 'retard' in airliners, just before touchdown. It means pull back on the stick/yoke and bring the thrust levers back to near-idle. So yes, in this instance 'retardation' means 'slowing'.

Can you imagine being in a plane that lands using arrestor wires? the deceleration is something like 200mph-0mph in 0.5 seconds Shocked

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