For those of us in Europe it seems highly unlikely that we will see Vista for some time (and FSX Deluxe) Because unsurprisingly Microsoft is dragging its feet over the Antitrust case in 2004.
Microsoft cannot sell any of it's current  or future windows versions in Europe unless it allows third party software access. The worst culprit being media player.
Currently Microsoft is six months behind which means it is being fined €2m a day.
FSX ordinary edition is likely to be only FS9 with the very best of the free addons now marketed by Microsoft ie Microsoft is catching up with the Simworld (meaning the addons will no longer "be free")
The Deluxe edition probably will show some noticeable advances but obviously will only work at an optimal level with Vista and since the EU won't allow Vista to be sold until.............?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5120536.stm

Happy landings.
Vololiberista

Stupid EU. Makes me angry. Whoops its politics I'm quitting.

I hope MS can get this sorted out, but I wasn't planning on getting FSX instantly anyway.

I'm confused to say the least.. ???

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But that would mean the "normal" version wouldn't be? ???

Only in videos, and those actually look pretty good.


Anyway, of course FSX won't just be FS9 with addons, that's what I'm sticking to.

No I don't see anything in the article that says that MS can't sell Vista or FSX. Just that they are facing massive fines.

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Since the release of FS9, the addons (esp the FREE ones)  have transformed it!! M$ have picked up on those ideas and incorporated addon like improvements into their new FSX which of course isn't FREE!!!  It's called marketing!! For what other reason would they produce a "deluxe" version other than to make even more money out of us!! That's also called marketing!!!
As for the EU they DID win the legal argument against the monopolistic stance of M$. (monopolies are not as popular in Europe as in the US)
This is why here in Europe we can use windows programmes like XP that allow us now to use third party addons.   
FSX hopefully will be a good sim but only if they have addressed core issues like ATC SIDS STARS for example.  If it turns out to be just FS9 with missions then for me it's not worth the buy!! One thing I would like to see go is the fact we have to use both 2D and 3D cockpits! One would be enough as in FlyII (fully operational - all dials - knobs - buttons etc)To compare both sims in their "basic" state flyII comes out better with better basic scenery, better flight planning, better cockpits, better ground effect. Worse ATC, clouds, no AI. Not bad for one disc!!!!
Let's hope F$ give us what WE want and not what THEY want!!
Vololiberista

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Products are continually being improved or there would be no point to a new version at all. There's only so much you can do with software like FS & without these improvements we might just as well stick with FS98. I see no difference between this Deluxe version of FSX & the Professional versions of FS2000 & FS2002. It seems misguided to me to go back to two versions but these are aimed at different markets.

PS. When it comes down to it, nobody is forcing you to spend a single penny. That's your choice.

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That is so true. Another good example is my last job. There are people out there that will "never" be happy even if you just gave $1 Million in cash to them [even if they are taking anti-depressants].

I doubt it all the conflict is over is media player and m$ can very very easily remove that.  I can imagain a without M$ would actualy be pretty awsome anyway flight gear ftw!

Difference between standard and deluxe will be the SDK's. Gmax, probably. and maybe some aircraft (easier to include/exclude than mesh). Just like FS2002 standard and Fs2002 pro.

When I mention the EU, I am basically refering to the governments and politicians. I have nothing against the average european citizen. Just a personal grudge against the inner workings of politics.

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If Bill Gates had his own way he'd rule!!!! Look at FSX M$ has taken FS9 added to it all the best free addons and will market it as FSX thus making us pay for something we can get now free.  forcing us to upgrade to HIS Vista in order to get the real benefits of the new sim.
Vololiberista

im sorry but in simple terms

the reason vista is delayed is beacuse of Windows Media Player 11. because the WMP packages is so good other companies feel this is unfair.
we may all say we hate microsoft, when we know that we could not use a computer effectivl without it. bill gates effectivly made the modern world what it is. because of the supremacy of WMP (i use it all the time. none  of the other crap like real player, winamp etc...) the other companies feel this gives them the unfair advantage becauseit coems default with their OS. the fact is. microsoft are one of 2 companies that can be assed to make a OS (microsoft and apple) and we all know that we will all end up getting MICROSOFT VISTA cos we all want DX10. the EU is only halting its realease over here because the US economy is still aherad of the european economy as a whole. so by halting the realease of vista and demaning the realease of base coding so that euro companies can make media packages to fit in with vista easily the euro economy will be given a boost by the hopeful selling of their media packages.
that is why FSX is delayed.

i live in worcesrshire england, and know only to well of the restraints the EU enforce on the UK and euopre for that matter.just to  let u know so i dnt come under scrutiny in future.


rant over


john.

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Yes!!  The US economy is in fact in dire straights compared to Europe, the Far East etc!!!!!  This battle regarding the monopolising of the computer world by M$ has been going on for a number of years. And has nothing to do with the economies of the US or EU. We each have our own taste as to which brand of media player we like and the EU is allowing us to make that choice for ourselves and NOT allowing Mr Gates to force us to use his version whether we want to or not
Katahu YOU DON'T NEED TO SHOUT It is quite apparent from ALL of your posts that you think the sun shines out of ..................!!!!  Try to be less blinkered and accept other people's point of views!
Vololiberista

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I "AM" accepting other people's point of views. What I'm trying to say is that jumping to conclusions without researching and stating them as if they were "fact" So my main concern are the rumors.

I'm seeing too many people on a couple of forums [not just the SimV forums] spreading rumors like this and sometimes shouting out seems to be the only option if I want to reduce the effectiveness of such rumors on various forums. I know it's an impossible task, but someone has to at least try.

I don't want this thread to be hijacked, so I'll say the following to keep it on track:

I don't believe that the economy has anything to do with the EU's personal bias against WMP. The euro is already stronger than the US dollar and the EU's economy is far stronger than the US. Frankly, I like WMP because it doesn't stuff my computer with unwanted ads and useless icons compared to Quick Time and and Winamp.

I'm glad im in the US and already have vista on my compy

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Vista has not yet been released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I can't be bothered reading all this stuff but I had to pick up on this.

Once upon a time, as a small business, I used to sell computers that I built to other small businesses here in the UK. Was quite good at it too. Used to take 'old' PCs and upgrade them to almost like new machines.

Can't do that now. "Why?" I hear you all shout.

Because through monopolistic agreements between Microsoft, Intel and Dell, I can't even buy the components to construct a machine at the sort of prices Dell are selling whole, complete brand new machines at, including Operating System and (Intel) processor. If Dell had to pay what I'm asked to pay for XP and an up-to-date P-IV cpu they could never do it - basically they must be getting them practically for free. Why? So the US can keep a strangle-hold on the global PC market - probably with the unspoken support of the US Government.

That's why bodies like the EU have to deal with issues like this. They haven't had the balls or the nous to take this one on yet - maybe taking on just one of the three major global players at once is enough right now. But effectively hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of small manufacturers like me are being put out of work by what can only be described as unfair predatory business practices by these huge American corporations.

And all you guys who defend it - just wait until you're on the receiving end of something like that and see how you squawk then.

PS - and just look all you Brits how all the public bodies like the BBC, the police etc etc etc have been taken in by this - they all use Dell kit rather than something produced locally that would create jobs and employment. Who knows, if enough public corporations insisted we could force Intel and MS to give British manufacturers the same sort of deals that they give to Dell... yeah, who said ha-bloody-ha...

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For one WMP corrupted my soundcard software FORCING me to get another. The list is endless.  And I have to remnd you that despite paying hundreds of millions of dollars to their lawyers IN the US M$ LOST the case and HAVE TO comply.