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Time For something new for later airshows.... (Read 913 times)
Jun 21st, 2006 at 8:41pm
Dr.Goodfly   Ex Member

 
Ladies and Gentlemen....
I present to you......
My Idea for a GREAT SIMV airshow FINALE.........
THE VIRTUAL BLUE ANGELS!!!!!!!!
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The Blue Angels, started using the most advanced aircraft of the time, from the Grumman F6F Hellcat to the F/A-18E Super Hornet!
They Perform at airshows Nationwide, and are the premier U.S. Navy Demonstration team to EVER take to the skies.
A handful of people are chosen to be in this ELITE team.
Think you're up to the challenge?
Prove yourself today, by joining the Virtual Blue Angels Demo team!
Perform at The International SimV Airshow Regarded as the Best of the best!
Sign up today!

Join by sending details of what you are best at: solo demos, or formations, and you may qualify as a member on the slot you wish to perform in.
I will edit this post as more slots are filled.
Cheers!
Doc.

#1, Leader: Dr. Goodfly
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Reply #1 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:55pm
RhinoIL   Ex Member

 
Not to burst your bubble or anything...BUT

1. The Blue Angels actually do not fly the Super Hornet.  They dont even fly the "C" model Hornet.  They fly the "A" model.

2. We (169th VAF) have tried doing major formations of aircraft in FS.  The parameters for the precision that is involved is just not possible with the network conditions that are sometimes utterly horrible on FS.  The only way I could ever see this being possible is if you were all on the same LAN.  The lag can get pretty bad. (More Planes=More Lag)

3. I have never been able to find a frame rate friendly Hornet to where other mulitplayer players around me dont see me glitch and vise versa.

These are merely things to think about.  Im not trying to put you down and say you cant do it.  I just dont want someone to waste time like I did trying to do something like this.
 
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Reply #2 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 10:58pm
Dr.Goodfly   Ex Member

 
I knew someone would post this.....
look, I am a BIG PICTURE person. I don't pay attention to these details. I would guess that we could make changes to accomodate these problems.........
I'd think that it IS possible. Just look at the Virtual Thunderbirds.  They do it, so why cant we?
Cheers,
Doc.
EDIT: Then why, in the HECK, does the announcer say they Fly the E model?? I've heard so many FRIGGIN times, the Blue Angels F/A-18E Super hornet, form their CRAZY, hyped-up announcer, that I was falsely led to believe that they fly the E super Hornet model.
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:04pm

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They don't. Clearly visable in the pic you posted, it's an A model. Wink
 
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Reply #4 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:10pm
Dr.Goodfly   Ex Member

 
Gai...........
How can you tell......
Im stupid
 
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Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:10pm

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sorry...somebody beat you to it.


THE VIRTUAL BLUE ANGELS!!!!

although i prefer the virtual thunderbirds... Smiley
 
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Reply #6 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:12pm

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They do it, so why cant we?


Well, THEY dont use FS......
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:13pm
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Reply #8 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:15pm

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It's ok......*pats Dr.Goodfly on the back*
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 1:28am

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aww but i had 2 great points i wanted to make!!!!


well here they are anyway:

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look, I am a BIG PICTURE person. I don't pay attention to these details.


Its the little details that make or break someone. In order for something to work you must have a big picture and be able work out the little details.  Grin

Also, your 12, im sorry, nothing personal, but you dont have the experience, nor the knowledge to pull something this extreme off. again nothing personal.

NOW we can close this thread


Ok i got it of my mind  Grin Grin Wink
 
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Reply #10 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 2:16am

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Dont worry, I had to do this with several of my ideas. Grin
 
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Reply #11 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 2:42am
Ramos   Ex Member

 
see the idea i had is that creators create two models. a hi-res version, and a multiplayer version. everyone gets the multiplyer version of the aircraft, and you switch to the hi-res. it will lower lag times due to graphics.

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Reply #12 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 4:34am
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It's a nice idea in theory but it would take hours and hours of practice and with FS attaining the kind of precision you'd need is incredibly difficult, I would join but just doing a duo display takes a lot of my skill.
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 9:44am
RhinoIL   Ex Member

 
The "Virtual Blue Angels" and The "Virtual Thunderbirds" are all on Lock On Modern Air Combat.  There are actually 2 thunderbird teams, the other is on Falcon 4 Allied Force, which I am actually the #1 in.  Believe me, its tough.
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 9:46am
RhinoIL   Ex Member

 
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Gai...........
How can you tell......
Im stupid


The E and F models are a bit bigger than the A/C and B/D...If you cant tell by looking at it that way, the engine intakes are squared off on the Super Hornet, and the control surfaces are more squared off for a more stealthy radar cross reference.
 
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Reply #15 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 3:35pm
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oh...  well, I had it all thought out, We'd practice as often as possible, work out the bugs, and switch teams every two years ( or so ) But If  the Virtual thunderbirds don't use FS, what do they use?
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"Also, your 12, im sorry, nothing personal, but you dont have the experience, nor the knowledge to pull something this extreme off. again nothing personal."
What does my age have to do with it?
look, If Im twelve, and know how to fly on JUST GAUGES in an F-16, although I've never seen the inside of an F-16 cock pit in real life, I'd think I've got plenty of knowledge to pull this off....
 
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Reply #16 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 3:44pm
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oh...  well, I had it all thought out, We'd practice as often as possible, work out the bugs, and switch teams every two years ( or so ) But If  the Virtual thunderbirds don't use FS, what do they use?


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The "Virtual Blue Angels" and The "Virtual Thunderbirds" are all on Lock On Modern Air Combat.  There are actually 2 thunderbird teams, the other is on Falcon 4 Allied Force, which I am actually the #1 in.  Believe me, its tough.


There's your answer.

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"Also, your 12, im sorry, nothing personal, but you dont have the experience, nor the knowledge to pull something this extreme off. again nothing personal."
What does my age have to do with it?
look, If Im twelve, and know how to fly on JUST GAUGES in an F-16, although I've never seen the inside of an F-16 cock pit in real life, I'd think I've got plenty of knowledge to pull this off....


Maybe so, but I don't think you've quite understood the difficulties of flying mass formations in FS. Even pairs formations in straight and level flight are difficult. I have about 6-7 years of flight sim experience myself (and I'm certain there are people with more), but still I find it challenging to hold a tight formation, even in level flight.

Also, the FS9 multiplayer is far from suitable for it. That's why teams like the Virtual Thunderbirds use LO:MAC. Smoother gameplay, for one.

 
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Reply #17 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 3:47pm

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If Im twelve, and know how to fly on JUST GAUGES in an F-16, although I've never seen the inside of an F-16 cock pit in real life,


Just cause youve never seen the inside of the cockpit doesent mean anything, otherwise most people here couldnt fly anything Wink also i can land a 747 in fs but ive never even been in one of those.  I could land an ILS, and fly by just gauges when i was 12, been simming 10 years (yes really i have) and i still dont have the skill to do what the Blue Angles, Thunderbirds, or any display group can do, nomatter what sim i am useing.  Really its nothing agaist you, but FS is not capeable of it, lag, time spent on it, and a bunch of other factors make it VERY hard to complete something like this.

Also rember our 2 ship formation that never worked? 2 things,  dont go full throttle, and its not something you can just pull together in a few sessions of mp.

I didnt mean to make an argument out of this so lets just leave it alone  Wink


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Dont get cocky  Roll Eyes



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Reply #18 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 4:15pm

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I have never been able to find a frame rate friendly Hornet to where other mulitplayer players around me dont see me glitch and vise versa

There is an AI F/A-18 available... no idea if the required textures are there.

And the FS engine simply doesnt allow close flying, better get LOMAC for that (ever seen the VFTC video?)
 
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Reply #19 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 4:53pm

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And the FS engine simply doesnt allow close flying


Is the main point. If you're lucky enough to have a very stable connection then you may be able to hold something fairly close. I flew with Nemo last weekend and at times it was nigh on impossible...

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Also rember our 2 ship formation that never worked? 2 things,  dont go full throttle, and its not something you can just pull together in a few sessions of mp.


Indeed it isn't, and the leader having full power set is a no-no unless he is leading a "tailchase"...

Also, formation flying is one time you don't want to be staring at the gauges - unless you're in cloud... Smiley

 
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Reply #20 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 6:14pm
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Indeed it isn't, and the leader having full power set is a no-no unless he is leading a "tailchase"...


You manage all right Wink
 
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Reply #21 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:05pm
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oh...  well, I had it all thought out, We'd practice as often as possible, work out the bugs, and switch teams every two years ( or so )


If you had it all thought out, you would have realized that the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels fly what look to be similar routines, they are in fact completely different.  The Thunderbirds show is more power and precision while the Blue Angels (they do show power) is more of a finesse and precision show.  The styles of flying are a bit different too.

 
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Reply #22 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:20pm
Dr.Goodfly   Ex Member

 
I've seen the Blues almost 8 times. I think i know how they do their show.
I've never seen JUST raw Power maneuvers in a Blues show.
I've seen the Birds only once, and nothing but powerful manuevers lined the show program.
 
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Reply #23 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 10:42pm

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ok, fine here we go. This thread is going to get locked soon... BUT here are some snippets of an FAQ that list some requirements

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Navy or Marine Corps tactical jet pilot with a minimum of 1,350 flight hours.
Each pilot must complete 120 training flights during winter training in order to perform a public demonstration safely. The teamwork required for the high-speed, low-altitude flying in the tight Blue Angels formation takes hundreds of hours to develop


This is what they say in FAQ so you KNOW this is just general info. There is so much more involved.

You master these, get FS to be smooth over the internet and we will talk.

Now back to real life. Doc, PM me if ya ever wana fly  Wink evryone can use some more flying time. Id love some more  Grin
 
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Reply #24 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 11:18pm

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If you had it all thought out, you would have realized that the Thunderbirds and the Blue Angels fly what look to be similar routines, they are in fact completely different.  The Thunderbirds show is more power and precision while the Blue Angels (they do show power) is more of a finesse and precision show.  The styles of flying are a bit different too.


The only difference i see is that one team flys a different aircraft than the other Tongue
 
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Reply #25 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 11:56pm
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When you have a father who flew Tomcats off the decks of about 4 different aircraft carriers, and who had thousands of hours of flight time, you will understand the difference.  Tongue Grin
 
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Reply #26 - Jun 23rd, 2006 at 12:50pm

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When you have a father who flew Tomcats off the decks of about 4 different aircraft carriers, and who had thousands of hours of flight time, you will understand the difference.  Tongue Grin

Tongue Wink Grin
 
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Reply #27 - Jun 23rd, 2006 at 3:07pm
Dr.Goodfly   Ex Member

 
When I actually have a father who will SIT on the GROUND in a CESSNA without WETTING himself, then I'll know that he may join some form of air defense and fly.
Then I will know how tough it is.
Cheers,
Doc.
PS why is this thread going to be locked soon?
 
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Reply #28 - Jun 23rd, 2006 at 3:52pm

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Reply #29 - Jun 23rd, 2006 at 4:01pm

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nevermind, i was expecting an argument to break out  Grin Wink
 
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Reply #30 - Jun 27th, 2006 at 11:32am

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nevermind, i was expecting an argument to break out  Grin Wink


I thought it already broke. Tongue
 
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