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Reply #30 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 2:27pm

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You know during the whole of the second world war Winston Churchill had just one body guard. Tongue

Methinks times have changed a bit. Tongue

In total agreement Doug.  I have to keep hoping that, at one point or another, we'll eventually have a politician in a place of power that we actually LIKE. *sigh* I know, I'm a dreamer Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #31 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 3:03pm

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Methinks times have changed a bit. Tongue


Yes indeed. There is no longer a World War and powerful nations no longer invade their neighbours with little or no warning. It's much safer nowadays thats for sure.


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In total agreement Doug.  I have to keep hoping that, at one point or another, we'll eventually have a politician in a place of power that we actually LIKE. *sigh* I know, I'm a dreamer


He was called JFK. Tongue
 

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Reply #32 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 6:14pm

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Yes indeed. There is no longer a World War and powerful nations no longer invade their neighbours with little or no warning. It's much safer nowadays thats for sure.

Nations are safer.  Their leaders are not.

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He was called JFK. Tongue

I meant for the FUTURE woody Smiley
 
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Reply #33 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 6:53pm

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Nations are safer.  Their leaders are not.

Not sure I feel safer & I was born during WWII. Roll Eyes

Senior politicians have always been at risk. It comes with the job. Back to Winnie & his long-suffering bodyguard. Quote:
Churchill's name headed a list of assassination targets found on an IRA man. As he drove through Hyde Park one morning, two men were spotted signalling to a third in a clump of trees. "If they want trouble, they can have it," Churchill said. Thompson, feeling it "not part of my duty to pander to his desire for a hand-to-hand scrap in Hyde Park", drew his gun, told the chauffeur to drive like the devil, and shielded Churchill with his body. "Don't ever do that again!" Churchill shouted.

He took some precautions. He carried his Colt .45 at times, and amused Thompson by lifting the tapestry back of the chair that stood between the door and the bed in his room, to reveal a slab of bulletproof steel. It was, nonetheless, miraculous that he survived. Assassination plots came from the IRA, Indian and Arab nationalists, Nazi snipers, and deranged individuals like the armed American airport worker who was providentially overheard to say he would get "that f***ing Churchill" shortly before Churchill was due to arrive.
 

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Reply #34 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 9:10pm

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Not sure I feel safer & I was born during WWII. Roll Eyes



Same here, and I grew up during the 60s, which had its risks in the USA.

Politicians are better-protected now, but the average schmo is not, and there are more threats than in my day or even Hagar and others who lived through a world war. Random whackos, more resistant strains of diseases, terrorism, etc... and as far as convential warfare goes, there seems to be enough of that going on in the world for many civilians to still be in danger.
 

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Reply #35 - Jun 21st, 2006 at 11:16pm

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Not sure I feel safer & I was born during WWII. Roll Eyes

I know exactly what you mean (there's a reason I don't watch the news, it's apocalypse every time I turn it on Roll Eyes ), but I was refering directly to Woody's comment.  For example, there is little chance of Germany launching a surprise invasion on Poland right now.  Or maybe there is a good chance, who knows, like I said I try not to watch the news Grin
 
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Reply #36 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 4:45am

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I know exactly what you mean (there's a reason I don't watch the news, it's apocalypse every time I turn it on Roll Eyes ), but I was refering directly to Woody's comment.  For example, there is little chance of Germany launching a surprise invasion on Poland right now.  Or maybe there is a good chance, who knows, like I said I try not to watch the news Grin



It's OK, Germany can't afford to invade anyone right now  Grin

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Reply #37 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 7:14am

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It's a shame that everyone is so afraid of the war on terror. But in reality the world really has never been safer. I mean, name another period in the last 1000 years when you could live long, comfortable lives without another country somewhere in the world turning up to shoot you, steal your food etc?
 

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Reply #38 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 11:06am

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I mean, name another period in the last 1000 years when you could live long, comfortable lives without another country somewhere in the world turning up to shoot you, steal your food etc?

I think that depends on which country you happen to live in. If I said what I would like to say I would probably be banned for life.
 

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Reply #39 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 11:10am

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I think that depends on which country you happen to live in. If I said what I would like to say I would probably be banned for life.

I'm talking about the west here. No matter what you think we do not live in dangerous times.
 

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Reply #40 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 5:01pm

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I'm talking about the west here. No matter what you think we do not live in dangerous times.


That would depend greatly on your definition of dangerous times.
Don't misunderstand me, but in deepest Cornwall the most dangerous thing you are going to see is a pissed up farmer weaving home in his tractor.
When bombs are going off in your capital city, I think that comes under dangerous times. When terrorists are still trying to plan attacks with aircraft, that is dangerous times. When a certain element wants to kill you because of something your government has done, that is dangerous times. However I am probably the wrong person to comment having lived a portion of my life never getting in a car without looking under it. When the IRA was randomly killing British service men in Northern Germany, that was dangerous times, but part of the job I signed up to. When Islamic terrorists want try to kill civilians, women and children in the name of religion, that is a different matter and that is dangerous times.
However, this is getting away from "Real Aviation" some what.

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Reply #41 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 5:08pm

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That would depend greatly on your definition of dangerous times.
Don't misunderstand me, but in deepest Cornwall the most dangerous thing you are going to see is a pissed up farmer weaving home in his tractor.
When bombs are going off in your capital city, I think that comes under dangerous times. When terrorists are still trying to plan attacks with aircraft, that is dangerous times. When a certain element wants to kill you because of something your government has done, that is dangerous times. However I am probably the wrong person to comment having lived a portion of my life never getting in a car without looking under it. When the IRA was randomly killing British service men in Northern Germany, that was dangerous times, but part of the job I signed up to. When Islamic terrorists want try to kill civilians, women and children in the name of religion, that is a different matter and that is dangerous times.
However, this is getting away from "Real Aviation" some what.

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Of COURSE that's all dangerous.  But we're talking stone called statistics here.

What are the chances of the crazy farmer killing YOU?

What are the chances of those bombs killing YOU, and how often do they come?

What are the chances of the terrorists killing YOU with their airplanes?

What are the chances of YOU dying because of terrorist bigotry?

Dangerous things still exist.  Just to a far lesser extent and, I would say, (although it is debatable) on a smaller scale.  Entire societies used to be conquered, massacred or enslaved not too long ago.  It's all about chances, and the chances of being hurt or killed by one of today's dangers are far less than those of yore.
 
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Reply #42 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 5:12pm

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That would depend greatly on your definition of dangerous times.
Don't misunderstand me, but in deepest Cornwall the most dangerous thing you are going to see is a pissed up farmer weaving home in his tractor.
When bombs are going off in your capital city, I think that comes under dangerous times. When terrorists are still trying to plan attacks with aircraft, that is dangerous times. When a certain element wants to kill you because of something your government has done, that is dangerous times. However I am probably the wrong person to comment having lived a portion of my life never getting in a car without looking under it. When the IRA was randomly killing British service men in Northern Germany, that was dangerous times, but part of the job I signed up to. When Islamic terrorists want try to kill civilians, women and children in the name of religion, that is a different matter and that is dangerous times.
However, this is getting away from "Real Aviation" some what.

Matt

These Islamic terrorists have a little way to go before their campaign matches that of the IRA. When bombs are regularly going off in all our major cities, then I shall conceid that times are dangerous.


Edit: Also as regards our leaders safety, I'm yet to see an attempt on any western leaders life by the islamic fundamentalists. The Brighton bomb was more than enough to show the IRA was capable of such a thing.
 

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Reply #43 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 5:13pm

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Dangerous things still exist.  Just to a far lesser extent and, I would say, (although it is debatable) on a smaller scale.  Entire societies used to be conquered, massacred or enslaved not too long ago.  It's all about chances, and the chances of being hurt or killed by one of today's dangers are far less than those of yore.

As I said previously, it depends on where you live. In some parts of the world these things are an everyday occurrence without much any hope of improvement in the foreseeable future.
 

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Reply #44 - Jun 22nd, 2006 at 5:15pm

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As I said previously, it depends on where you live. In some parts of the world these things are an everyday occurrence without much any hope of improvement in the foreseeable future.

But when has that not been the case?
 

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