Interesting!
The 110 gunners have commonly been bugged to be overly deadly.
Which 110's exactly are you talking about, the older G-2 line or the G-4 nightfighter betas?
I ask because the nightfighters have a reduced rate limit (toned-down rotation speed) for their Mg81 to adress their over-accuracy.

Thanks Mathias

The aircraft in question are avhistory's. They are the Bf110c, Bf110g2, and their SBD. Although since discovering this I am now aware of the same defficiencies with stock too. Plus the Ground Crew 110.

That said, it's a shame the SBD has a bad rear gunner as I particularly like that aircraft. I understand a compromise fix may be in the XDP, but as you say you would lose the aircraft in multiplay.

In my opinion the CFS3 file check is a pain in the ***, does MAW retain the checker from within the CFS3 core ? I hope not.

But I guess no matter how much work goes into a model there is always going to be some niggling bug somewhere.

I am looking forward to the Hs123 download from GroundCrew(hint), at least that'll give me something to tinker with.

You confirmed my suspicions on the rear gun mounts, and thanks. Much appreciated.

Jasper

I am not sure what is expected of the defensive gunners but it should not be much.

Thing is defensive guns were only really good at forcing the interceptors to fire from a distance & not shooting them down.

Example Schweinfurt-Regensburg Mission

376 bombers of sixteen bomb groups flew against German heavy industry well beyond the range of escorting fighters.


Before they had to turn back Spitfire pilots claimed 14 German fighters shot down and P-47 pilots claimed 16. Gunners on the bombers claimed 288 fighters shot down, but Luftwaffe records showed only 27 lost to B-17 defensive fire.

Average B-17 ammo load was 5000 rounds or 1,880,000 rounds of ammo for the entire formation.  This gave an average trigger down time per barrel of slightly over 1 minute.

Assuming each bomber fired only half (30 seconds) its ammo best case (288 kills) it took 3,264 rounds fired to kill one attacking fighter.  

Worse case (27) if the assuming the bombers got all the fighter kills it took 34,815 rounds to kill one attacker.

The actual number was mostly between the two extremes but very much to the low kill side.

If as had occurred many if not most of the bombers came back with their ammo expended the numbers would move up to 6528 best case or 69,630 worse case.

Taken from an after war summary:

The attacking fighters were small targets in an often confusing battle, and it was not at all evident that gunners would see them, identify them, estimate their distance and speed, aim correctly, and fire at the right time.

This looked good on paper, but in practice it was an almost impossible task. During WWII, the hit probability for fixed, forward-firing guns was estimated to be only about 2% for an average pilot; and the operation of flexible guns is far more complex.

The German fighter pilots flew short missions; the gunners spent long hours in cold, draughty, and incredibly noisy aircraft, shaking in the turbulence created by the large bomber formations. The gunsights were often primitive: The powered turrets had some form of computing sight, but most hand-aimed guns had simple ring-and-bead sights.

The field of view and fire from some positions, notably the radio room of the B-17 and the waist positions, was quite limited. Overall, the German fighters held a clear advantage.

IIRC in QC they hate everybody & are equal opportunity shooters.

The Hs-123's flight model is being adjusted as we just got some additional info on its lower wing flaps.