Simviation Forum - May 24, 1941 The Bismarck sinks HMS Hood

May 24^th, 2006 at 12:12pm

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1941 The Bismarck sinks the Hood

On this day in 1941, Germany's largest battleship, the Bismarck, sinks the pride of the British fleet, HMS Hood.

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Reply #1 - May 24^th, 2006 at 12:49pm

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On this day in 1941, Germany's largest battleship, the Bismarck, sinks the pride of the British fleet, HMS Hood.

With less than three shots if I remember correctly!

But then again, in three days the day will come where the immobilized Bismarck itself was sunk by half of the british navy together....

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Reply #2 - May 24^th, 2006 at 1:05pm

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But then again, in three days the day will come where the immobilized Bismarck itself was sunk by half of the british navy together....

Not true.. The german crew sunk bismarck themselves with a bomb to aviod being totally killed by the bombardment by the britisth destroyers.

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Reply #3 - May 24^th, 2006 at 1:31pm

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Not true.. The german crew sunk bismarck themselves with a bomb to aviod being totally killed by the bombardment by the britisth destroyers.

Don't forget, the "official" history of the time indicated that the Bismarck was sunk by the RN.... Truth be told, it ended up being scuttled, but then, it was a matter of time. In the end, it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. Scuttling the ship only brought the end sooner.

The RN did the job of hunting, hurting, crippling and fatally wounding the ship.

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Reply #4 - May 24^th, 2006 at 1:38pm

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In the event that this thread takes the same turn as the WWII thread, I will inject the human side of this particular day.

Able Seaman Frederick Roy Fullick P/JX 152369, 20 years old was on this day killed when HMS Hood was sunk in the Denmark straits. He and 1,418 other men where lost. 3 survived. Frederick Fullick is one name in a list of a possible 62 million people that are thought to have perished during WWII. More information http://www.hmshood.com/

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And who was Able Seaman Frederick Roy Fullick .............my uncle.

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Reply #5 - May 24^th, 2006 at 2:14pm

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With less than three shots if I remember correctly!

Well, that's what can happen when you hit a magazine...

To be fair, the Bismarck was effectively sunk by one torpedo, delivered to her stern by on Sub Lt John Moffat. From that point on, hundreds of miles from the coast in permanent circles, she was doomed...

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Reply #6 - May 25^th, 2006 at 9:53pm

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Well, that's what can happen when you hit a magazine...

To be fair, the Bismarck was effectively sunk by one torpedo, delivered to her stern by on Sub Lt John Moffat. From that point on, hundreds of miles from the coast in permanent circles, she was doomed...

Hooray for the "Stringbags".and their crews.. unlikey giants in the history of tactical air power... Grin

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Reply #7 - May 29^th, 2006 at 11:59pm

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I recently aquired the old 1:600 scale Airfix kits of both these ships. Planning to later build tributes to both ships and their crews.

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Reply #8 - May 30^th, 2006 at 12:46am

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Well, that's what can happen when you hit a magazine..

I once hit a magazine with a ball bat -- I think I was five or six -- and paper went everywhere. That was the end of that. 8)
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I recently aquired the old 1:600 scale Airfix kits of both these ships. Planning to later build tributes to both ships and their crews.

Nice gesture. Will we get to see it?

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Reply #9 - May 30^th, 2006 at 6:08pm

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Well, that's what can happen when you hit a magazine...

I believe Woody mentioned the HMS Hood's demise lay in the fact her deck had not been refitted yet, and was quite weak by the day's standards. Only this allowed the Bismarck's lucky shot to yield any result. Either that or the hull. I forget most things.

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I once hit a magazine with a ball bat -- I think I was five or six -- and paper went everywhere. That was the end of that. 8)

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Reply #10 - May 30^th, 2006 at 8:21pm

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Have you ever recovered? Shocked

The cover was torn in half, I was outside and the wind was blowing... how many pages did you think I was going to recover, to recover, with my short little 5-year-old or so legs? Roll Eyes

Whatever may be left of them nowadays wouldn't be worth the effort and, even as fast as my shin is healing, I couldn't presently collect them as well as I could have then. 8)

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Reply #11 - May 31^st, 2006 at 3:40pm

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Nice gesture. Will we get to see it?

If I get them finished in a reasonable time. I currently have too many projects going on.

P.S.- (For the board's old-timers) I draw F4U Corsairs and trucks quicker than I build them. Wink

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Reply #12 - Jun 2^nd, 2006 at 7:06pm

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It wasn't three shells. At the very least it was three salvo's which means a minimum of 24 shells only one of which hit the magazine. Also, who's to say it wasn't the Prinz Eugen didn't fire the fatal shot?

No one can really agree as to whether Bismarck was scuttled or the Dorsetshire sunk her with a torpedo attack. Both is probably the most likely answer.

My great uncle was a gunner on the Hood. Luckly for him he was on leave when she sailed that last time.

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Reply #13 - Jun 12^th, 2006 at 2:39pm

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You must not look at the Bismark sinking the Hood as a BB to BB engagement. The Hood, though the pride of the Royal Navy was not a traditional BB. The Hood was designed with firepower and speed in mind. She lacked the armor of a BB. She was more like a battlecruiser. Extra armor was added as a result of the lessons learned from Jutland, but it wasn't enough for Hood to be considered a BB.

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Reply #14 - Jun 12^th, 2006 at 3:37pm

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You must not look at the Bismark sinking the Hood as a BB to BB engagement. The Hood, though the pride of the Royal Navy was not a traditional BB. The Hood was designed with firepower and speed in mind. She lacked the armor of a BB. She was more like a battlecruiser. Extra armor was added as a result of the lessons learned from Jutland, but it wasn't enough for Hood to be considered a BB.

The Hood wasn't just like a Battlecruiser. She was a Battlecruiser though and through. I believe that at the outbreak of WWII the Royal navy only had two, Hood and Repulse. Both were sunk by 1942. True Hood had extra armour added. But this was not as a result of Jutland as the Hood was launched in 1918, two years after the battle. The armour was added in the 1920's when it was realised that the day of the Battlecruiser was over and that the most likely enemy would be a standard Battleship. Speed however remained her best defence against such odds though.

However, the engagement between Hood and Bismarck can be seen as a battleship vs battleship engagement. Never forget that the Prince of Wales was also present and she was a Battleship. There was also Prinz Eugen, a heavy cruiser.

Edit: Also, the losses at Jutland were due to improper use of the Battlecruiser fleet. The Battlecruiser was designed for armed reconissance and was built to out run anything that it couldn't out gun. Therefore using a Battlecruiser as a Battleship and pitting it against a Battleship was a folly. It was just unfortunate that at Jutland the Battlecruiser squadron found the German fleet first.

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