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Reply #15 - May 18th, 2006 at 10:46pm

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It wasn't a Boeing/Airbus thing.. it was just a bad landing..  It was kinda skeeery to see the nose-wheel firmly planted with air between the right main gear and the runway..
 
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Reply #16 - May 18th, 2006 at 11:10pm

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One way or the other, I'll bet the pilot is gonna catch hell.  Regardless of the wind, these show pilots are supposed to be putting em down perfect every time-god forbid they make a "mortal" landing every now and then! Shocked
 
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Reply #17 - May 19th, 2006 at 2:41am

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Apart from watching the sequence in which the gear touched the ground, maybe a few people missed some other mitigating factors. How much of a crosswind was there?
A380, a rather big beastie. Not so effected by wind influence on landing (words of Air Bus), however did you notice that the rudder was at what looked like full right deflection once or twice and working in between as if its life depended on it.
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Reply #18 - May 19th, 2006 at 3:37am

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One way or the other, I'll bet the pilot is gonna catch hell.  Regardless of the wind, these show pilots are supposed to be putting em down perfect every time-god forbid they make a "mortal" landing every now and then! Shocked

considering that only up untill a week or two before the first flight only 1 or 2 could even land it on the simulator at all its a mirical:)
 
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Reply #19 - May 19th, 2006 at 6:57am

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I suppose I'm guilty of that... But if the world's newest, biggest airliner makes one of its highly publicized landings on its nose-wheel..Someone not on the flight-deck is bound to notice.
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Reply #20 - May 19th, 2006 at 7:44am

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I suppose I'm guilty of that... But if the world's newest, biggest airliner makes one of it's highly publicized landings on its nose-wheel..Someone not on the flight-deck is bound to notice.



Point taken.

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Reply #21 - May 19th, 2006 at 8:01am

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Slightly off-topic but this reminds me that I read somewhere that it was impossible to land the Boeing 377 Stratocruiser on the main gear. It always landed nosewheel first* & it was commented that it must have a very strong noseleg. Captain OP Jones, the legendary chief pilot of BOAC at the time, resigned over it before being dismissed. He refused to continue flying it because he felt the aircraft was unsafe for this & other reasons.

I can't find the article & this is the only suitable photo I can find right now.
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*PS. The inability to flare on landing was apparently caused by wing spoilers the CAA (Civil Aeronautics Administration) had insisted on. The problem was resolved when these were eventually removed. http://www.ovi.ch/b377/articles/lady/
 

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Reply #22 - May 19th, 2006 at 12:18pm

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I found the Stratocruiser article I mentioned. It makes interesting reading. http://www.ovi.ch/b377/articles/speedbird/

From an article by Tony Spooner DSO DFC published in «Aeroplane Monthly», June 1996.
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It both landed and took off on its nose-wheel and, if that was not peculiar enough, the wing leading edges, adjacent to the fuselage, had an additional strip which was designed to reduce lift!
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The robustness of the nosewheel leg was proved on almost every landing, as the Strat, when near the ground, had a mind of its own and we used to arrive (one did not land a Strat; one arrived) with the most appalling thumps. No amount of heaving back on the pole would induce the mainwheels to make contact first. Various explanations were offered for this peculiarity. Some said that the wings, which were essentially those of the B-29, had been mated with the double-bubble fuselage at the incorrect angle of incidence. Others pinned the blame on the pernicious lift-spoilers.

Why build a splendid wing and then fit lift spoilers? The story was that the Civil Aeronautics Administration (CAA: the FAA-to-be) would not give the type its Certificate of Airworthiness because a wing was apt to drop when the aircraft stalled. The CAA wanted the nose to drop first, and the only swift remedy was to destroy an area of lift near the fuselage. Ironically, after BOAC had operated the type for about nine years it was decided that lift-spoilers were not necessary, and they were removed. I was then flying later types, but those who were still on Strats told me that it was then a much better-behaved aircraft.

As the aircraft also ran on its nosewheel alone for several hundred yards during take-off, this, too, could be quite exciting in a strong crosswind. The huge tail made the aircraft try to weathercock into wind.
 

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Reply #23 - May 19th, 2006 at 7:55pm

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Oh man I think the CAA made a big mistake on that one. One should allways listen to the pilots in this kind of instance.

Absolutlely fascinating (and scarey) stuff 8)
 
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Reply #24 - May 20th, 2006 at 1:58am

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I found the Stratocruiser article I mentioned. It makes interesting reading. http://www.ovi.ch/b377/articles/speedbird/

From an article by Tony Spooner DSO DFC published in «Aeroplane Monthly», June 1996.




An interesting read. Looks like Air Bus checked the history books before take pen to paper and coming up with the A380 Shocked

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