Simviation Forum - BPB perhaps, but... Kai Tak appr. video

Apr 25^th, 2006 at 4:27pm

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Yes, there are exterior shots at the end.. others arriving as this crew taxis. Not your typical heavy approach, for sure... note the very relaxed Italian(?) crew... smoking, etc. Some good flying there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEehSpiT5dI

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Reply #1 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 5:40pm

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Nice overshoot of the extended runway centreline aswell. Grin

I guess they had tailwind on the baseleg which threw them off their intended course ???

Thx for the link Rotty!

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Reply #2 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 5:46pm

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Funny to see the captain smoking a cigarette! Grin

Flipping guy ion the camera!!!
You think after that long flight he would have at least had a nice perspective out the front window from over the shoulders of the guys piloting the plane as it banks and lands!
Instead he is zoomed in and ruined the whole ending!!!

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Reply #3 - Apr 25^th, 2006 at 11:30pm

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Nice overshoot of the extended runway centreline aswell. Grin

I guess they had tailwind on the baseleg which threw them off their intended course ???

Thx for the link Rotty!

I've seen that in clips from Kai Tak before... crosswinds are a problem there.
But to me, the biggest challenge seems to be turning that tight corner with a 747... it'll do it, but it takes some room... Shocked

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Reply #4 - Apr 26^th, 2006 at 12:56am

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Nice overshoot of the extended runway centreline aswell. Grin

I guess they had tailwind on the baseleg which threw them off their intended course ???

Thx for the link Rotty!

I'm assuming either an inexperienced crew (at flying that particular approach) or, as you said, unusual winds, becuase they were really off.

And the vid was terribly shot, absolutely awful, as Dave said. Still a good find Rotty Wink

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Reply #5 - Apr 26^th, 2006 at 8:17am

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I've seen that in clips from Kai Tak before... crosswinds are a problem there.
But to me, the biggest challenge seems to be turning that tight corner with a 747... it'll do it, but it takes some room... Shocked

In this case it was an MD11, though. Not that it really matters both planes are very long and the MD11 isn't really the most longitudinal stable aircraft to boot; It has a computer, LSAS, which makes tiny corrections to keep the aircraft's pitch stable. Kind of like a yaw damper for the pitch axis.

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Reply #6 - Apr 26^th, 2006 at 9:10am

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In this case it was an MD11, though. Not that it really matters both planes are very long and the MD11 isn't really the most longitudinal stable aircraft to boot; It has a computer, LSAS, which makes tiny corrections to keep the aircraft's pitch stable. Kind of like a yaw damper for the pitch axis.

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The other planes shown are 747s... I was aware that the cockpitt shown was not (even though it's labelled as such), but didn't know which. Leave it to somebody else to figure out what it was... Grin

Would LSAS really be active on that kind of approach?

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Reply #7 - Apr 26^th, 2006 at 9:12am

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*Slaps myself again*

No, it auto-disengages below 15.000ft Grin

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Reply #8 - Apr 26^th, 2006 at 9:33am

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*Slaps myself again*

No, it auto-disengages below 15.000ft Grin

I figured... Roll Eyes

It's quite a manuever to make in a plane so large (gotta bank steeply while descending without letting the airspeed envelope close up on you); and landing on that runway, it seems there's always a right crosswind... every clip I've seen of that approach shows them inevitably left of centerline on short final, having had to make a short, steep base leg.
Definitely one to separate the pilots from the button-pushers... Grin

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