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Apr 19
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How much does the whole package cost, school, flight time, and license?
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I would imagine quite a bit....over here in the UK, it's about (quote my father) £150 an hour.
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It depends on what ratings you want to get.
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Here in America, it depends on what you fly, how long it takes, and what gas prices are at the time. When I did it three years ago, it cost me probably around $5,000 for ~42 hours in a Cessna 172. So you could expect anywhere between $5,000 and $7,500 dollars, give or take a couple dollars.
EDIT: That's for just a private pilot's license, if that's too much, you could go for a sport pilot's license, which costs a bit less, but you can't fly at night, or into controlled airspace, but I don't know all the details, so you might want to look into it.
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Apr 19
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Mobius' figures are about right for the average program.
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Apr 20
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over here in the uk it can cost between £4500.00 and £8500.00 to gain your ppl but if you want a rating i.e night flying then i think its around £500 for a night rating..... but don't quote me on that lol.
"Your Private Pilots Licence Flying Course
During the flying course you will need to undertake ground school lessons with your instructor to assist and prepare you for the flying exercises. You are required to sit and pass six written multiple choice ground exams and obtain an RT licence before you take the flying skill test. On completion of the training, you need to pass the flying skill test with our in-house CAA flying examiner. The Civil Aviation Authority will then grant you a Private Pilots Licence.
Privileges Of The Private Pilots Licence
Now you have a Private Pilots Licence (PPL) you can exercise the privileges of the licence and fly the aircraft solo or with family and friends.
Whether it's a local flight or landing at another airfield, you just book the aircraft at your convenience.
You can add ratings to the PPL as listed below or use the PPL as a stepping stone for a career change along the route to obtain a Commercial Pilots Licence.
validity Of The Private Pilots Licence
The Single Engine Pilots Licence is valid for 5 years provided that a minimum of 12 hours is flown in the second year of the 24 month rating expiry date. ( Other conditions apply )
Additional Ratings
It is possible to add further ratings to the basic Private Pilots Licence in order to expand the privileges afforded to it.
These other ratings include :
1 .THE NIGHT RATING :- This involves a course of approximately five hours instruction and allows the holder to fly as pilot in command of an aircraft at night.
2 . THE I.M.C RATING :- ( Instrument Meteorological Rating )- This is a course of a minimum of 15 hours instruction in the aircraft and 10 hours ground school followed by a flight test of approximately 2 hours and a ground exam. The aim of the course is to enable flight of an aircraft with reference to instruments only. "
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May 16
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at Winder-Barrow airport, its just $1700 for the whole private pilot package. If you just want basic stuff, its $35 an hour.
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May 16
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if you mean all the way to airline pilot. Probably 50 grand plus.
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if you mean all the way to airline pilot. Probably 50 grand plus.
That's not including 4 years of college. Doesn't have to be an aviation-related degree, but without that sheepskin, you'll very likely be ppassed over by an airline.
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at Winder-Barrow airport, its just $1700 for the whole private pilot package. If you just want basic stuff, its $35 an hour.
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That must be minus the aircraft rental... there's no way that could be for everything. But... what's the name of the school? I want to do my IR; maybe that's only $1000 there...
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Mine was about $6,000 in a 150 at $95/hr. Any flight school you go to will definately have a list of cost estimates for the programs offered.
If you work at the airport they sometimes offer good discounts. I get 15% off all aircraft rentals (can't take that from the instructors or course) and an additional 2% for being an active member of WPA (Washington Pilots Association).
That will very quickly add up to save you hundreds, and even thousands if you stick with the same school for all your ratings! (I LOVE YOU Snohomish Flying Service!! lol)
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The two best schools in my region of the US cost from $45000 to $64000 for nothing to CFII/MEII
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I started my pilot career back in my country(Dominican Republic) over there the currency is pesos i used to pay $2,550 for 2 hours. But when i got to the US i Pay $250.00 for 3 hours
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2 . THE I.M.C RATING :- ( Instrument Meteorological Rating )- This is a course of a minimum of 15 hours instruction in the aircraft and 10 hours ground school followed by a flight test of approximately 2 hours and a ground exam. The aim of the course is to enable flight of an aircraft with reference to instruments only. "
I don't know a whole lot about the requirements to getting an instrument rating here in the US, but you have to go through a groundschool, and I think it's a minimum of 40 hours of flight time.
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here in the UK a complete pilot's license (including everything you need to work for an airline) is £50,000-60,000
A private pilot's license is between £4000 and £8000
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One thing to remember too is; once you're a pilot, you're commited to spending several hundred dollars per month for the rest of your life. If you don't go up at least twice per month; a couple hours each time; you won't stay sharp (or enjoy the flying).
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One thing to remember too is; once you're a pilot, you're commited to spending several hundred dollars per month for the rest of your life. If you don't go up at least twice per month; a couple hours each time; you won't stay sharp (or enjoy the flying).
Not to mention the legal requirements, esp. for advanced ratings.
But it's do-able if you really want it bad..
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Brett... are you a CFI? just curious
there is a fair percentage of students who bust their tails to get that certificate and then when it is all said and done with they hang up the headset to gather dust!
your thoughts on this...
personally it drives me insane, if im going to spend hours weeks, months and thousands of dollars doing something i would strive to be the best i could be at it. i compare it to spending gobs of money on golf lessons, getting good enough to shoot in the 70s and then saying "well thats good enough" and basically never playing again. its like WTF ???
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Brett... are you a CFI? just curious
there is a fair percentage of students who bust their tails to get that certificate and then when it is all said and done with they hang up the headset to gather dust!
your thoughts on this...
personally it drives me insane, if im going to spend hours weeks, months and thousands of dollars doing something i would strive to be the best i could be at it. i compare it to spending gobs of money on golf lessons, getting good enough to shoot in the 70s and then saying "well thats good enough" and basically never playing again. its like WTF
Yes, I did the CFI check-ride (check-DAY) back on March 1st. I haven't taken on a student yet for a couple reasons. I'm not in one place long enough to be there consistently for someone going through that magical time; and I'm not really ready, in my opinion. My plan is to have a worthwhile distraction when I retire and to become the instructor I never had... available at any time and not just passing through on my way to an airline job.
I'm guilty of the dusty headset too. I got my PPL back in 1978-79 (I was 19). My father was good friends with an FBO owner. After I got married, working and future building was priority one. I didn't fly much at all for years. A couple years ago, I stopped at KOSU to watch a few planes land.. saw the, "Learn to fly here" sign at a neat, little club; talked to a few members; took a quick flight in a Piper Cruiser and haven't stopped flying since. I finished my instrument rating.. got complex and hi-performance endorsements.. and then commercial and CFI ratings (6 hours into my multi-engine too). I figure by the time I'm a CFII
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Anyway.. I suppose there are as many reasons for people to stop flying, as there are for them to start. Time, money, fear (bad experience).. you name it. One that almost got me for a second time was weather. I'd experience palpable anxiety bordering on aggravation, even instrument-rated, when weather messed with a big flight plan. I'd imagine the percentage of people who do it, "just to do it" who end up flying often, for the rest of their lives is small. I hope I stay in that small group.
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well said... good luck with your instructing when you get to it.
I was a CFI for four and a half years. Even though i was one of those CFIs on my way to an airline job i considered myself to be a dedicated professional instructor purposely witholding my resume until times would get slow. I went through 5 instructors for my private (lost nearly all of them because they took other jobs etc.) so i decided right away that i would not be one of "those" instructors. My schedule was pretty much set 6 days a week though i would often come in to catch up a straggling student or two on my 1 day off. Somtimes finishing a cross country so late that i would just sleep in the FBO.
It was a helluva lot of fun, and i will return to those roots sooner or later in life. I learned more my first year as a CFI than i did through any training program.
Looking back on all of those hours as a CFI it was easy to complain about the hot bumpy summers and the freezing cold winters but in hind sight...
There is nothing much like that last lesson of a hot summer day when the air is cooling off, the bumps subside, and while admiring the sunset casting long shadows along the ground as you make one more trip around the pattern you barely notice the wind burn on your right arm which spent 8 hours of the day proped on an open cessna window.
it was easy to complain about the bitter cold winters then, but now I often stop to think about those days that I would walk a student through his pre-flight on those cold crystal clear mornings when the only "cloud" in the sky is the steam billowing from my coffee.
but, i will be pulling the cabin heat knob or pulling out the "orange juice cans" again soon enough.
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Thanks.. That brought back some fond memories (some not all that old)...
I like meeting instructors. I was in Fargo, ND this weekend... had planned on taking a 172 into Minnesota. It was kinda awkward, having to get "checked out" to rent a plane, but those are the rules. The CFI was all of 21 years old and exploding with enthusiasm, even at the prospect of a short rental check-ride. He started instructing the minute we started moving. He was telling me how to taxi (I gotta admit I ride the brakes a bit.. you have to at KOSU when there are 3 planes in front of you and 3 behind you every time you head for a runway)... talked me through the climb.. And then, the scattered layer at 800 turned out to be broken (couldn't really tell against the 7,000 hard ceiling)
.. so we turned back for the pattern. On downwind, he was telling me when to apply carb-heat and I politely said, "Son, you aren't going to be able to re-teach me to fly in an hour, we're just trying to determine if I'm qualified to rent from your FBO".. then I cut through the base-leg and angled for the numbers. He started mumbling what sounded like a well-rehearsed routine about lining up stable or we're going around. By then, I had mis-judged the 9knot cross-wind and ended up just the OTHER side of runway center on a very short final. Before he could say anything, I said, "We're fine" and landed perfectly. He didn't talk again until we were clear of the runway and only said, "Nice recovery.. when the clouds clear, you're good to go". They never did clear and the whole point of the trip would have been for the scenery, so I went ahead and rode to the lake with a friend.
I kept thinking about him and what it must be like to be an instructor with so few hours, checking out a pilot with probably three times as many. We're going to keep in touch.
Later, at the lake, there ended up being a Citation pilot and parachute instructor to talk flying with.. It was a great weekend..
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sounds like fun. I remember my first lesson as an instructor like it was yesterday.
wet behind the ears with 360 hours in my log book I passed my check ride at 3:00 pm on the 22nd of March, was hired by a small local flight school since their CFI just took another job at 4:00pm... had my first lesson at 8:00 am the next morning on my 23rd birthday! It was a $49 be a pilot intro ride and i was probably more nervous than the student!
off we went into the warm spring air and 2800 hours later... the rest as they say is history
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The fond memories you guys are talking about are probably one of the reasons my CFI is seriously considering leaving Continental Express and instructing part-time again. (speaking of the original topic, expenses, the other reason being he doesn't like to work extremely hard and not get paid nearly enough for it)
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Making a living flying is a tricky thing for sure. Around here, CFIs get $30-40/hour, but rarely log more than 20, paid flying hours per week. I haven't checked recently, but I've heard that even once you're taken on by an airline, you'll make less than a fast-food manager. It's funny, because the kind of instructing I plan to do would cost somebody starting from scratch about $50,000 to prepare for ! And they'll be lucky to earn $20,000 per year.
When I was first learning to fly, an airline job was out of the question. You had to have near 20/20 vision, a college degree and military flying experience.
My cousin flies law-enforcement helicopters and wants to fly charter/tourism as soon as he can leave his present job, pension-vested. We've talked about buying a plane and basing ourselves around the resort islands in northern Michigan.. Ahhh to dream
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to make it pay, you have to use smart scheduling.
hold a regularly scheduled ground school that meets 2 or 3 days a week and try to get as many as your students into it as possible instead of trying to get one student at a time in for ground school. if you are doing it right your ground school material should take about an hour or two depending on the lesson being covered. if every student is paying 15 - 20 bucks an hour for the same hour you basically just got paid for 4 or 5 hours for the same hour. That really helps out in some of the winter months when flying is not happening much due to weather.
another thing i would do is charge a flat rate for flight reviews. The FAA minimum for one of those things is one hour on the ground and one in the air, most people thought $75 was fair for a full review regardless of how long it takes.
i never did this... but you could offer a GPS class to current pilots who dont really know how to use their GPS. lots of little things you can do.
on a side note - i once had a wealthy old man walk into the FBO one day and ask me how much it would cost for a ride to houston. I had a lesson booked already, a cross country, and told him that the plane was unavailable, he says "will $500 make it available?" immediately i said "yes sir", it was only like an hour and 15 minutes to houston so my student got a free cross country on that old man's dollar and my take home was over 400 bucks!!! woo hoo
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I had naive dreams of going for an airline seat when I first started (in my mid-30s!), but after the reality check, my plan is now to slowly accumulate ratings so that I can perhaps instruct after I retire. Primary instruction, advanced ratings, maybe even type instruction in heavies. I've heard that airlines often use CFIs who are not necessarily line pilots; they mostly teach in sims but are checked out in the real thing and occasionally do check rides. .. there's not a hell of a lot of competition for such work, and they're not subject to a lot of the limitations put on line pilots. That'd be a nice way to pad out the little money I will have, even if it doesn't pay much.
Assuming inflation doesn't completely run away or the US dollar or US gov't doesn't cease to exist in the next 20 years, I figure I'll need at least a million to survive until I drop dead... sobering thought when I think of how little I have squirreled away. If I go for part-time instructing, it may not be enough.... I'll be sleeping on park benches and eating out of dumpsters (I'll have to spend all my money on cab fare and clean shirts), but I'll be happy if I can get paid to fly... beats sitting around some crappy condo in Florida waiting to die.
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My plan is to get my CFI and instruct to get enough total time for a real job and then get a fun job and instruct on the side if needed. I'm thinking business, charter, bush, that kind of thing.
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My plan is to get my CFI and instruct to get enough total time for a real job
You are definitely not the kind of CFI I'd like to have
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Aww... why not....... well there was that one time... But I recovered and that guy is ale to walk again now. 8)
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Drake dont take this the wrong way because i think your a sharp guy but i just want to illustrate a minor point about saying "real job"
What would you consider to be a real job? Im sure there are a lot of flight professional instructors out there who have quite a wide spread student base and great professional reputation who love what they do and make a fair wage at it who would argue with the "real job" comment.
not that i really took it as a snub. But you have to be careful who you say "real job" around.
After going into the FBO and unlocking the doors at 6:00 in the morning after a 30 minute commute. getting the class room ready, mentally preparing for the 8:00 - 9:30am ground school group, then spending 7 or 8 sweat soaked hours down low in the turbulence, getting puked on, only to wolf down a can of soup and a pepsi on your 20 minute lunch brake during which you have to occasionally give help to a student who is planning a cross country then having to changing your instructional technique 3 times on one student who just cant seem to understand a VOR navigation (because you seriously want to help him out), then just when your day is finished with the last student you fuel up the airplane, park it in the hangar, head into the flight school to lock up to go home and FINALLY - - -
the radio crackles with an inbound aircraft calling for an airport advisory - its an old student you passed 2 years ago out for a late evening flight and then they recognize your voice and say...
"Oh hey man whats up? your still here? i thought you were headed out to a REAL JOB?"
when that happens just sigh and think of something polite to say before you press the mic button
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Aww... why not....... well there was that one time... But I recovered and that guy is ale to walk again now. 8)
Ritter covered it pretty well, but to understand what I meant I'd suggest you take a closer look at the exact quote I used, then read Ritter's again
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Sorry Ritter, I guess I wasnt thinking when I said that. I think it may have something to do with my flight school because most of the instructors are interns who are there building time and applying for other jobs. Its like these guys were sitting in a class with you last quarter and in one or two more quarters they will be gone, off to god knows where. The uper staff instructors dont instruct much, they do stage checks and a mountain of paperwork. The staff guys may or may not teach you, so it makes the whole thing seem really temporary. I suppose when I think outside my airport instructing is a real perminant job but here its kinda not.
Anyway, sorry to the full time instructors.
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its alright drake... i know you dont mean anything by it and yes unfortunately the instructing profession is generally a stepping stone, just wish fewer CFIs saw it that way. good luck with your training and hang in there, the airline jobs are out there to be had and just like anything else they have their pros and cons.
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Who wants a real job anyway?
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No one... Lottery win would be fine...
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Not me... I'm only in my current position for the money, and the naive fools actually think I know what I'm doing...
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yeah, im thinking of spending 4-8 years in RAF, then retire, join BAW or virgin airlines..
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The cost of flying is a problem for me too. I really want to be a flight istructor, but I dont know how I'm going to pay for a ppl course and other ratings. I suppose I will just have to take the same road as many others here and take lessons when i can afford it and be utterly broke all the time.
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im a student pilot now, and at least for where i am, the cost depends a lot on what plane you rent, i fly mostly the 172, and its usually around $80 an hour, the 152 is around $65 an hour, so it can all depend, also if you fly frequently you retain the information more than if you fly once in a while.
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yeah, im thinking of spending 4-8 years in RAF, then retire, join BAW or virgin airlines..
If you're thinking of flying in the RAF, than you'll be in for at least 12 - it's not something you can pick and choose over I'm afraid...
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What would you consider to be a real job? Im sure there are a lot of flight professional instructors out there who have quite a wide spread student base and great professional reputation who love what they do and make a fair wage at it who would argue with the "real job" comment.
It's good to know there's still a few professional instructors around. I was beginning to think they were all doing it as a part-time job until something better comes along. My hero & mentor started instructing before WWI & taught fighter pilots in both world wars. He retired in 1967 aged 75 when he was forced to give up instructing, much to his disgust. I was privileged to know & be taught by such a man.
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