Simviation Forum - Tomcat + Fulcrum = Sokho-25

Apr 18^th, 2006 at 3:20pm

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Take a look at it
Looks like someone took a dive in the parts department and made something from it. Front and rear of a MiG-29 but with swing wing stuff from a F-14...

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Reply #1 - Apr 18^th, 2006 at 3:26pm

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Reply #2 - Apr 18^th, 2006 at 3:53pm

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Reply #3 - Apr 18^th, 2006 at 4:06pm

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Thanks:)
Now you see what years of economic sanctions do to a country. Its interesting to see how they got round the F-14 parts problem.

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Reply #4 - Apr 18^th, 2006 at 4:20pm

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Thanks:)
Now you see what years of economic sanctions do to a country. Its interesting to see how they got round the F-14 parts problem.

Buy the now retired F14's from the USN? Grin

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Reply #5 - Apr 18^th, 2006 at 4:31pm

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Just copy the avionics and put them in a new airframe (modified MiG-29UB)

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Reply #6 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 12:17am

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I'm not sure what you guys are on about...the pic shows 3 F-14A's...exactly what the Iranians bought.

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Reply #7 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 5:31am

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I'm not sure what you guys are on about...the pic shows 3 F-14A's...exactly what the Iranians bought.

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Reply #8 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 7:38am

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I'm not sure what you guys are on about...the pic shows 3 F-14A's...exactly what the Iranians bought.

Glad someone wlse thinks that too... My thoughts entirely!

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Reply #9 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 11:07am

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Google has multiple hits describing Sokho as something different than a F-14A.

And besides... the most recent pictures on Airlines have them with quite bright camo scheme, and not with the subdued colors shown here.

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Reply #10 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 11:36am

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Actually Iran have made their own jet. I must admit though I haven't seen it.

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Reply #11 - Apr 19^th, 2006 at 12:43pm

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The Iranians have designed a little 2-seat trainer/light combat plane...assuming they designed it. The bird looks a lot like a design from about 10-15 years ago that was proposed as a F-18 trainer here in Canada.

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Reply #12 - Apr 20^th, 2006 at 5:53am

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With anyone saying that these are F-14's... where is the brown / yellow camo on the nose (example see here)
(and another one that looks like it has been a gate guard for a few years here)
None of these has blue Flanker style Camo.

Indigenous production (apart from the weid black stealth thing)
- Simorgh, Modified 2-seat F-5 from original single seater
- Evolved version of the above (Azarakhsh), with MiG-29 engines
- Saeqeh... Looks very much like the proposed trainers from MiG (I-2000) and Yakovlev (Yak-130)
- Copy of a Bell Jetranger that somehow looks sleeker than the original (and has been adapted to the local climate)
- Some small trainer aircraft that arent interesting enough to list here
- HESA version of An-140
- Possible WiG plane

And the inventory...
US stuff
F-14A, F-4, F-5 (and local mods), AH-1, Chinook, Herk, Jetranger (and local mods), UH-1

Soviet
A few former Iraqi MiG-25 or what is left of these
Su-25, SU-24, Possible Su-27
MiG-29, MiG-23/27, MiG-21 and variants, Possible MiG-31
2x Il-76 Adnan... one with Russian and one with french radar.
Il-76, An-12

Other
Former Iraqi and own inventory Mirage
Fokker F-27 Navalised.

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Reply #13 - Apr 20^th, 2006 at 9:38am

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Ivan - we all know that camoflage and colours vary with time, etc.

The Iranian aviation industry has done wonders with what they have. Merely keeping the F-14s - at least some of them - flyable through the years has been a small miracle. I believe that although they are still powerful fighters, their use over the years at times has been as AEW - with the powerful radar, etc.

I am not convinced that the Sokho is a "new" design, as much as it is a development of the F-14 - similar to the Israelis developing the Kfir from the Mirage V.

I have not had success in finding out more - diagrams and descriptions of the Sokho ... even in some of the Air Forces Monthly magazines that have described air shows in Iran.

As for the An.140, I understand that it is not merely a license built programme in Iran, but that HESA actually is a design partner, along with Antonov.

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Reply #14 - Apr 20^th, 2006 at 10:45am

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OK most of the pictures were from early 2000s... and there is a trend to repaint all upgraded stuff (at least their MiG-29s that came in full-grey)in some kind of grey / blue-and-subdued yellow scheme.

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