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Apr 8th, 2006 at 6:57am

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i think it's the ideas people make for their nominations, not the quality. Because: if you first have to pump $1000 into a good setup before you can make it to the finals or even win, only about a quarter of the forum members have a chance!
so if a shot has a great angle, sunset, view, color use, plane, scenery or whatever, but the quality isn't that good, i think we should look at those things in the first place Smiley

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Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 7:08am

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Well, that exactly what they look at don't they? Someone could a have a $10000 rig and still make the worst shots...Screenshots are all about art...the angle, setting, lighting...all these come into consideration I suppose during judging... Wink
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 7:11am

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I completely agree with that.. but you must realise it is already being done!  There have been fantastic finalist shots over the months which have made really far, but wern't that great of a quality

I mean.. i have a 2 year old Dell, which has had its best days... it still works perfectly so i dont intend to change it any time soon, but the graphics card is just completely sh*t Roll Eyes  So i would also really appreciate if there is a little more attention to those shots in which the composition is really good, but the quality is a little less!
 

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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 7:36am
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AFIAK, myself and Mr.Mugel do not have the greatest systems at all. In fact, looking at your system specs, my computer is actually worse than yours!
 
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 8:18am

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We have all heard this before, it does not matter what your set up is!!

Look at Mr. Mugels' blimp shot!!!!
TOTALLY AMAZING!!!!
It is dark, different, and speaks volumes!!!!

Don't tell me you need a million dollar rig to get that shot!  Wink

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Reply #5 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 8:27am
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I have to be honest but it is better to have a decent pc with  flight sim because it has so much to offer.
It's an expensive sim so why play on a crappy rig ???
 
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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 8:30am

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My system is not exactly cutting edge either.  I've had it over 4 years and have upgraded small amounts since then.  Wink
 

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Reply #7 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 8:49am

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I made it to finals once back when my video card sucked, so I don't think that it's really an issue.
 

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Reply #8 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 9:10am

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Well personally i think it is quite hard, when it is voting time, to not be influenced by the quality of the shot!  When i struggle to choose between two shots, and one is of a much better quality than the other, the quality will, almost definately, influence my end decision.

I know its not the thing to do, but it happens.  The quality just adds this extra 'umpff' to the shot  Roll Eyes 

So yes, I agree it shouldn't be an influence, but its hard not to. Roll Eyes ( I hope you all understand what i'm actually trying to say...)
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 11:14am
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Thanks for the words Dave, but it just shows that a simple shot can go that far, in my sig there are my specs, you wont find to many crappier PCs around here, I think.

But it works, I have fun with it, thatīs what itīs all about, and itīs creativity that makes a good shot, sure a high end rig can easier produce visually stunning pics, but thatīs not allways what the judges look for.

And I think many people seem to vote that way, too, look at the amount of votes I got, such a simple shot, with such a crappy system.

Thatīs what makes taking decent screens hard.

Letīs keep this contest on, I had many of these moments in which I thought my shot could have gone further, but it didnīt and thatīs the way it goes.

Allways remember, the contest is not only to win, not only for the prize, but itīs the fun you have, looking at all the decent pics entered, thinking about options for great screens yourself.
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 12:03pm
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Seriously, its not the PC.  I mean, mines pretty good, and I take good shots, but Ive never made the finals while people who have worse computers than me do.
 
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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 1:31pm

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FWIW......
MR. Mugel  got my vote simply because of the fantastic composition of the pic.

As a long time  photography  buff, I learned years ago that composition is of upmost importance and all the fancy equpiment and effects can not equal a simple pic with great composition.

Mr. Mugel illustrated brilliantly that  you do not need a high end sys to take great pics.. Smiley

 

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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 4:03pm

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I aggree Buff, what exactly is your point?

I think the fact that two out of the three winners has a worse system than mine proves that screenshots are all about composition, not power.
 

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Reply #13 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 4:22pm

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It's probably not the quality of the rig that gets a screenshot into the finals.  But I'm still not sure what does make the difference.  There have been some comps here where I've looked at the finalists and known at once which should be the winnner (IMHO).  Other times I haven't bothered to vote because I didn't think ANY of the finalists were that good.  I have yet to figure out what criteria the judges use to select the finalists each month.  But then, my taste in art is rarely mainstream.

Don't forget there are also monthly screenshot competitions at www.screenshotart.com, and not just for FS2004.

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Reply #14 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 6:47pm

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Quote:
 I have yet to figure out what criteria the judges use to select the finalists each month.  
Gryshnak


You're not alone there Gryshnak.
The judges do however, take their own volunteered time to organize the comp, mod the comp, select the topics, select the finalists etc. It's a lot of work and I'm sure we're all grateful for their efforts. It may be frustrating at times for some but we've all got to tip our hats to them nonetheless for their tireless efforts and the subsequent enjoyment the competition brings to us all month after month.  Smiley
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Reply #15 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 7:40pm

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Maybe someone is a little annoyed that they didn't get into the final...

A high tech rig should make no difference. Its all about angle and lighting.
 
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Reply #16 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 9:57pm

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The main factor is the artist's talent.

The second factor is software:
the subject, scenery, and imaging software used.

The third factor is knowing how to set your PC up for the screenshot. Quality is not just about the hardware itself, it's your settings! All but the most terrible old PC's are capable of good screenshots.

If you have hardware that is not capable of running up to 800x600x32bit colour resolution with some filtering options, you haven't got much of a chance, everyone else needs to unlock the potential they have in their systems.
 

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Reply #17 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 11:58pm

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I agree.  I have had some pretty good shots over the last several months and never made it to the finals.  I appreciate over 600 views per month on those, but here it is about software and "thinking outside the box".

Most of the time a screenshot wins due to the angle of the shot, and these are not default angles.  The pilot that has the Corsair shot this month had a view that held a strong contention.  This is something I need to work on.

The new photo-realistic scenery screenshots are going to be taking the trophies home, so you might as well start downloading.  I will continue to keep trying in hopes of earning a plaque and a name in Simiviation history.  

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Reply #18 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 4:12am

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The judges actually look at the efforts made by the screenshot-takers.

Allow me to illustrate:

Look at Delta's shots... You can easily see the lines aren't the smoothest around. I had a shot that was much less jaggie... BUT... in the end the mods saw the amazing composition-talent in Delta's shot, where mine lacked in beeing extra-ordinary. Hence he got nominated and I didn't...

And I actually like that idea... It make you try harder the nect time and not settle for a generic shot.

And once again... the winners did deserve it!

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Reply #19 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 5:23am

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I totally agree with you Mees/Buff!!  Shocked Grin

My computer can't even run FS2004 and no matter how well-setup my FS2002 shot is, I will never make it to the finals. However,why would I want to? What should I do with FS2004 Payware??  Tongue  Grin

I just participate in the contests for fun.   Cheesy

But if you are capable of running FS2004 on your system, as said before: it doesn't really matter that much what rig you have, as long as it can run at 800 x 600... The videocard is just there to smoothen the edges a bit, to round the curves a bit and to put in some minor effects.  Wink
 
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Reply #20 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 6:38am
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I thought my shot was going to make it this time, really liked the catch of lightning and the unusual lighting I got but in the end the superb quality of the other images was superior.
 
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Reply #21 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 7:31am

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Contest = hammer it to the max. 1600x1200 even without fsaa will smooth a little when resizing

It doesnt have to be your day-to-day flyable detail setting for screenshot taking...
 

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Reply #22 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 8:02am

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ps: Delta; I hope you don't mind me using your shot, it's just to make a point, not critisim...  Wink

That's fine. Wink

The jaggies are due to the compression, I'm still working on making that better.  The 1280x1024 shot is much better because it has not been compressed.
 

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Reply #23 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 9:06am
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The judges actually look at the efforts made by the screenshot-takers.

Allow me to illustrate:

Look at Delta's shots... You can easily see the lines aren't the smoothest around. I had a shot that was much less jaggie... BUT... in the end the mods saw the amazing composition-talent in Delta's shot, where mine lacked in beeing extra-ordinary. Hence he got nominated and I didn't...

And I actually like that idea... It make you try harder the nect time and not settle for a generic shot.

And once again... the winners did deserve it!

Omag


ps: Delta; I hope you don't mind me using your shot, it's just to make a point, not critisim...  Wink



But thats my problem.  I think that I have great composition in my shots.  I try really hard to get a good angle, lighting, the whole shabang.  I dont focus on quality, and yet, Ive never made it to the finals
 
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Reply #24 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 10:09am

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To be honest i do reckon the quality of the shot does play a huge part. Cool angles etc do make a difference but if your running a truelly poor rig i somewhat doubt you will win, no matter what everyone will say... have a look in the hall of fame...

Grin But i spose ive never even come close to winning so i cant really comment
 

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Reply #25 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 10:39am

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Quote:
Look at Mr. Mugels' blimp shot!!!!
TOTALLY AMAZING!!!!
It is dark, different, and speaks volumes!!!!


Dave

Actually it's "look at Mr. Mugels' ZEPPELIN!!!!! shot.


Quote:
Don't tell me you need a million dollar rig to get that shot!  Wink

No you need a Zeppelin.
 

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Reply #26 - Apr 9th, 2006 at 11:18am

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Actually it's "look at Mr. Mugels' ZEPPELIN!!!!! shot.


No you need a Zeppelin.


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Reply #27 - Apr 11th, 2006 at 7:06pm

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Groan not this topic again. PLease - as John Major said (former Prime Minister in the UK) and I think its probably a common saying; "If you can't stand loosing don't enjoy winning" or words to that effect. Grin

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