Simviation Forum - most educational computer game

Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 3:34pm

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my parents are saying that flightsim has no point, so i want to know what you think is the most educational pc game (not that i'll change my ways, but...) Grin

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Reply #1 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 3:40pm

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Educational Computer Game is an oxymoron. Grin

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Reply #2 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 3:51pm

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They all are, wanna build an empire? Wanna learn to fly? Run a zoo? Run a city? Build things, Military style killing? hey...... They are all educational in their own right...... but BF2? hmmmm I dunno thats up to you to decide! Cheers, Gunny

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Reply #3 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 4:03pm

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Flight Simulator is the most educational. It teaches you how to understand the instruments on the panel, how to fly a pattern, shows you the basics on how aircraft fly; heck, even Rob Machado's videos are helpful.

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Reply #4 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 4:18pm

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Reply #5 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 4:57pm

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And most games are more than educational, many help develop and fine tune motor skills Wink

I would have to say FS, just due to the fact that aviation has many things you need to learn to be proficient and FS9 helps cover a lot of it, from basics of flight to weather to understanding what instrunments mean , how they work and why you need them.

Also it seems that it keeps you from hanging out with the bad kiddies Wink

LOL

But you must admit many people don't understand why it is we all love aircraft and the addiction they contain. Too some there is no explaning nor is it worth us to waste our time trying too Wink

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Reply #6 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 5:33pm

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I have a cousin who loves the CFS series and the FS series. And he doesn't even like flying. Grin

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Reply #7 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 5:41pm

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Flight Simulator is the most educational. It teaches you how to understand the instruments on the panel, how to fly a pattern, shows you the basics on how aircraft fly; heck, even Rob Machado's videos are helpful.

thats what i say Grin

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Reply #8 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 8:20pm

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You must realise that FS is a simulator, not a game. Therefore it is directed at being educational in the ways of flying. All the others listed are games and not educational in any useful sense.

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Reply #9 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 9:37pm

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Well I guess it would be FS. If you use the sim as intended (real flight to the books) then yes it is educational. However the reason my parents fund my computer venture is because I dont play as many games as use Adobe CS2. I am very proficiant in photoshop, can read and write HTML fluently, know most JAVA. Also along with my software knowladge I am quite the tech junkie when it comes to hardware (infact I'm kinda the local Geek Squad in our town). So my time spent on the computer went twards getting me a job. Currently I work as a floor rep at the local staples, and when I turn 17 my mother is getting me a basic internship at her office (High tech company. I'll be working with their network group).

However theres another point to be argued here. Professionally signed gamers can make upwards of $30K a year + the free stuff from sponsors. There are two CSS players in my school signed by some team that competes all over the world. Recently one recieved a Blizzard X1900XTX from sapphire tech, all he had to do was recommend it to people saying that "I'm a pro gamer, and I like it. You should have one too" Personally I am not signed, however my clan (~ALBINO~) usually makes top 3 in many of the LANs we go to, and therefore we all have gotten some pretty cool parts. We are going to compete in Nor Easter '06's CSS turney, and if we win we all get our choice of a BFG Tech 7900GT, PowerColor X1900XL, or a DFI Lan Party SLi or Crossfire board.

Though I am inclined to agree with your parents. Sitting on a sim for houres at a time is a waste, unless you are or plan on being a pilot. Your best bet in winning them over is to become proficiant in hardware / software. Show your skills off to them there. Then do a few jobs for their friends. Tweaking their PCs to be faster, building new systems etc. Then when you have a good client base (like me) your parents will see that PCs are truely a good hobby for you to spend time with, and wouln't mind if you play video games.

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Reply #10 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 11:36pm

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Sitting in front of a sim for hours on end actually can be beneficial-I've found a way for it to be.

When I'm obsessed with shooters and sit playing them for hours, I'm completely occupied. THAT is a waste. When I fly a four hour flight in FS, I'll climb to my cruising altitude and then once I'm established in cruise, I'll do schoolwork. That simple. By playing FS, I prevent myself from getting caught up in games that would prevent me from getting work done.

It's a pretty good argument for the 'rents you know Wink

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Reply #11 - Apr 2^nd, 2006 at 11:54pm

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I always like computers. I don't know anything about computer programming, but I am determined to major in it. However, I do have extensive knowledge and experience in 3D modeling for FS. It's not much, but it's a start. And just like a couple of you, I have gained just enough technical experience to get my relatives out of some situations.

Other than that I have long way to go.

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Reply #12 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 12:26am

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FS is a simulator, which menas it simulates real life. you could use this training for real life (and if you use X-plane, get hours!!). whereas using Sim City 4 will NOT help you become mayor, Zoo Tycoon won't help you in becoming a zoo keeper, and ditto for the others.

so my Vote goes to FS.

'other...' leaves a big open grey area to actual educational games...

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Reply #13 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 4:26am

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I voted for X3:The Reunion.
Never seen a complex game like this !!

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Reply #14 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 7:50am

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I must say that I've found the recent Flight Simulators very educational.
Over the past 10 years or so, of flight simming I have learnt a lot of things that I didn't know before, regarding flight dynamics (aerofoil sections), weather conditions and effects (cloud types/wind/precipitation, etc), various engine types and specifications (useful mechanical knowledge), airframe construction, (balance/ailerons/elevators/flaps/wheel configurations), aircraft instrumentation (inner workings, etc), aircraft radio communication and navigation (how it all works!), the list goes on... Grin

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As a lifetime professional electrical/electronics/mechanical/ designer and engineer the flight simulators have certainly broadened my horizons... Wink

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Cheers all.... Grin

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...and as Ashar recommends, the occasional Porn Channel will also reveal lots of useful tips to guide you on your way throughout life...trust me... Wink

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Flight sim...porn site...flight sim...porn site....
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Reply #15 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 1:19pm

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FS or Porn? That's a hard choice to make. Grin

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Reply #16 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 2:01pm

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Ashar gets my vote for the best "tongue-in-cheek" reply... Wink

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Good-on-you Ash...it made me laugh anyway... Grin

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...and as Ashar recommends, the occasional Porn Channel will also reveal lots of useful tips to guide you on your way throughout life...trust me... Wink

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Flight sim...porn site...flight sim...porn site....
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Reply #17 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 2:08pm

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If you actually have time for other games and porn, you aren't flying enough Grin

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Reply #18 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 3:08pm

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If you actually have time for other games and porn, you aren't flying enough Grin

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Reply #19 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 3:11pm

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Reply #20 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 3:23pm

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Cheers
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Reply #21 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 4:00pm

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Who needs sleep when I have BAWLS?

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Reply #22 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 4:06pm

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Reply #23 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 6:46pm

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Reply #24 - Apr 3^rd, 2006 at 7:41pm

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Paul...A real He-Man in the trouser department...8)...!

Well we never said he lacks self confidence Grin

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Reply #26 - Apr 4^th, 2006 at 6:10pm

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Reply #27 - Apr 4^th, 2006 at 11:18pm

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Educational?

..Postal, GTA, Silent Hill.. Grin

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Reply #28 - Apr 4^th, 2006 at 11:22pm

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Postal and Silent Hill no, however GTA very.

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Reply #29 - Apr 4^th, 2006 at 11:32pm

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Postal and Silent Hill no, however GTA very.

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never. Would you walk into a police academy and this:

"do you have any firearms experience?"

"not real, but i played GTA for a while, and understand about 20 different types of guns and what they are capable of"

or

"have you been convicted of a felony?"

"yeah, grand theft auto, 3 times,once in Vice city,once in San Andreas, and once in Malibu"

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Reply #30 - Apr 5^th, 2006 at 7:50am

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If you actually have time for other games and porn, you aren't flying enough

exactly, and wasting your life Angry

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Reply #31 - Apr 6^th, 2006 at 12:47pm

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You just havent found the good stuff then Wink

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Reply #32 - Apr 6^th, 2006 at 1:41pm

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exactly, and wasting your life Angry

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Reply #33 - Apr 6^th, 2006 at 6:14pm

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We have a life?

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Reply #34 - Apr 6^th, 2006 at 8:39pm

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Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a f***ing big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players, and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed-interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three piece suit on hire purchase in a range of f***ing fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the f*** you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing f***ing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarassment to the selfish, f***ed-up brats you have spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life. But why would I want to do a thing like that?

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Hey...it's our life...does that bother you in any way? Grin

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Reply #36 - Apr 8^th, 2006 at 6:01am

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Actually, most of what I have learned watching porn has served me much better than anything I ever learned in any video game, chances are I will never actually fly a plane or run a city or zoo and I have no desire to do any of these things, however, the techniques I have learned from porn get put to use quite frequently and have been a lifelong passion of mine, therefore I say porn is more educational than video games.

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Reply #37 - Apr 8^th, 2006 at 7:04am

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Actually, most of what I have learned watching porn has served me much better than anything I ever learned in any video game, chances are I will never actually fly a plane or run a city or zoo and I have no desire to do any of these things, however, the techniques I have learned from porn get put to use quite frequently and have been a lifelong passion of mine, therefore I say porn is more educational than video games.

Hurrah...someone that supports my idea... Grin

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Reply #38 - Apr 8^th, 2006 at 10:11am

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Reply #39 - Apr 8^th, 2006 at 12:30pm

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Reply #40 - Apr 11^th, 2006 at 10:37pm

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+1 to both of you, even though I have been flying aircraft since I was about 5 (Father is a Captian at Alpha Flying, and was a CFI before that).

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Reply #41 - Apr 13^th, 2006 at 4:45pm

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You must realise that FS is a simulator, not a game. Therefore it is directed at being educational in the ways of flying. All the others listed are games and not educational in any useful sense.

hey...i got secret plans to command my units around using real time strategy maps in later life so therefore command and conquer must be the most usefull...but first I need some power plants Wink

oops i said too much about my plans already

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Reply #42 - Apr 13^th, 2006 at 5:35pm

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Actually, most of what I have learned watching porn has served me much better than anything I ever learned in any video game, chances are I will never actually fly a plane or run a city or zoo and I have no desire to do any of these things, however, the techniques I have learned from porn get put to use quite frequently and have been a lifelong passion of mine, therefore I say porn is more educational than video games.

Oddly enough, that actually sounds reasonable. Tongue

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Well I guess it would be FS. If you use the sim as intended (real flight to the books) then yes it is educational. However the reason my parents fund my computer venture is because I dont play as many games as use Adobe CS2. I am very proficiant in photoshop, can read and write HTML fluently, know most JAVA. Also along with my software knowladge I am quite the tech junkie when it comes to hardware (infact I'm kinda the local Geek Squad in our town). So my time spent on the computer went twards getting me a job. Currently I work as a floor rep at the local staples, and when I turn 17 my mother is getting me a basic internship at her office (High tech company. I'll be working with their network group).

However theres another point to be argued here. Professionally signed gamers can make upwards of $30K a year + the free stuff from sponsors. There are two CSS players in my school signed by some team that competes all over the world. Recently one recieved a Blizzard X1900XTX from sapphire tech, all he had to do was recommend it to people saying that "I'm a pro gamer, and I like it. You should have one too" Personally I am not signed, however my clan (~ALBINO~) usually makes top 3 in many of the LANs we go to, and therefore we all have gotten some pretty cool parts. We are going to compete in Nor Easter '06's CSS turney, and if we win we all get our choice of a BFG Tech 7900GT, PowerColor X1900XL, or a DFI Lan Party SLi or Crossfire board.

Though I am inclined to agree with your parents. Sitting on a sim for houres at a time is a waste, unless you are or plan on being a pilot. Your best bet in winning them over is to become proficiant in hardware / software. Show your skills off to them there. Then do a few jobs for their friends. Tweaking their PCs to be faster, building new systems etc. Then when you have a good client base (like me) your parents will see that PCs are truely a good hobby for you to spend time with, and wouln't mind if you play video games.

Cheers
Cameron

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Reply #44 - Apr 23^rd, 2006 at 3:49pm

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FS is educational. A budding pilot myself at 15 has found it very useful. In fact i was flying today. Did my first unassisted landing. Mad how organisations like the ATC let kids do that sort of thing.

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Reply #45 - Apr 30^th, 2006 at 1:21pm

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Although one usually makes a clear-cut distinction between games and simulators, I'll treat them as one on this subject.

The best games for:

Learning aerodynamics: Flight Simulator

Learning WWII history: Hearts of Iron

Learning Military Tactics: Panzer General

Learning World History: Europa Universalis

They are very educational, in a general sense. But not a replacement for a book on the respective subjects, of course.In my humble opinion.

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