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Another controversy, (this time about titanic) (Read 1592 times)
Mar 14
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My other controversy theory I heard was that the Titanic was sunk by a German U-boat. I only heard this briefly, and it could make sense since it was just before WWI. Anyone know anymore about this? (again this probably isn't true, just a theory)
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Not heard that one before. First, I have no reason to doubt that Titanic collided with an iceberg. There were enough eye-witnesses to confirm that.
Second, unless it was a terrible accident what possible reason would a German U-Boat have for sinking an ocean liner in peacetime?
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Mar 14
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that's what confused me, but apparently the holes in the ship resemble a torpedo according to the experts
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Mar 14
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I really doubt that the Titanic was sunk by anything else then an ice berg. Other than the fact that there are many eyewitnesses to large chunks of ice on the deck of the ship (apparently there was even a snow ball fight after the collision), the Titanic went down in 1912, two years before the start of World War I.
However, the oceanliner RMS Lusitania was torpedoed and sunk by a German U-boat in 1915.
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Replace "experts" with "dunce who can't figure out history so he's trying to get famous this way" and you got a case.
Experts...
On par with saying a Global Hawk hit the Pentagon.
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You want a real controversy?
How about this...
There has been some real belief amongst some folks that Titanic didn't hit an iceberg...or sink in 1912. These folks believe that the ship that was lost was Titanic's older sister Olympic...after a little sleight of hand by the White Star Line. The belief is that Olympic was so badly damaged in it's collision with HMS Hawke in 1911 that it could not be fully repaired...and that it switched places with Titanic so that a full claim could be made.
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These folks believe that the ship that was lost was Titanic's older sister Olympic...after a little sleight of hand by the White Star Line.
Now that one I
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All these conspiracy BS mechants do my head in completely! Why can't they just accept the facts?
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the Titanic was sunk by a German U-boat
WUAHAHA! Always the evil Krauts! Probably germans were hijacking the 9/11-planes, and Saddam has german ancestors.
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it was just before WWI
No it wasnt. The Titanic collided with the iceberg the 14th of April 1912, well 2 years before WWI.
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No it wasnt. The Titanic collided with the iceberg the 14th of April 1912, well 2 years before WWI.
Give it another hundred years and two years becomes "just before WW1" ..
The "submarine" conspiracy theory doesn't strike me as believable for several reasons:
I do not believe that the submarine technology of the time allowed for a European's submarine's operational are to extent to the western north Atlantic.
While there was a lot of sabre rattling going on (there was an effective naval arms race at the time), I do not believe that the overall political situation of the times would have sanctioned such an operation. Submarines, at the time, were also viewed with suspicion, as being "ungentlemanly" and more of a coastal defence weapon.
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Mar 15
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What absolute rubbish!
You also have to ask yourself what the Imperial German Navy would have been trying to acheive? If they wanted to take an early U-boat across the Atlantic they would have done so with a huge fanfare and a great deal of publicity. As Felix said there was an arms race going on at the time so an ocean going submercible would have been a definate boast. In addition war was by no means inevitable in 1912, it was likely but not certain. The IGN would have had no desire to sink a ship full of civillians. We may also view the Gentlemanly conduct of early last century with raised eyebrows and chuckle now but at that time it was deadly serious. A German officer would not have stooped to sinking a merchant vessel without warning when no state of war existed. Let alone a vessel with Ladies on board. Early in the war Submarines were required to surface and hail the master of the merchant ship that they were attacking. The master was then given the chance to surrender and he and his crew would abandon ship. The submarine would sink the boat and on occasion give the food and water to help them survive their ordeal. The Surface commerce raiders operated in the same manner but would take the crew prisoner and drop them off in a neutral port before returning to Germany.
When the Lusitania was sunk(7th May 1915) it was
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the announcement of unrestricted sea warfare (Feb 1915) and in addition the German Embassy had issued warnings to citizens of neutral nations not to embark on British vessels as there was a danger of being sunk.
As a side note the US was eventually brought into the war as a result of a change in US public opinion over the deaths of 128 American Citizens on the Lusitania. 120,000 American servicemen subsequently died in Northern France from disease (60%) and enemy action.
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As a side note the US was eventually brought into the war as a result of a change in US public opinion over the deaths of 128 American Citizens on the Lusitania. 120,000 American servicemen subsequently died in Northern France from disease (60%) and enemy action.
Will
Point of information - while sinking the Lusitania (which, by the way, I understand was in fact carrying military cargo and therefore a valid "target") did a lot to turn the isolationist feelings of the US into anti-German feelings, the Germans cancelled unrestricted submarine warfare after the Lusitania for a period. It was restarted in 1917, again raising the spectre of war with the US, but what really forced Wilson's hand to ask for the declaration of war was the Zimmerman telegram, where Germany proposed that Mexico enter the war, against the US, and in return, they would get a lot of the US Southwest back.
Hindsight is 20-20, of course, and there's no denying that sinking the Lusitania was probably the pivotal point in turning US feelings against Germany.
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Cool, I was generalising
The Lusitania and the US in WW1 is the equivalent of the US civil war being all about slavery.
The Lusitania was not carrying millitary cargo, the second explosion was either the boilers or coal dust. She was a valid target due to the declaration of unrestricted submarine warfare. Fair warning had been issued in February which was reiterated before she sailed. Those who died with her knew the risks before they embarked, in my opinion.
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The Lusitania was not carrying millitary cargo, the second explosion was either the boilers or coal dust.
Actually, the common belief is she was. Although there is no proof to my knowledge, since the manifests did not have any military cargo on them (kind of a secret deal). It is widely believed that she was carring some kind of military supplies. Just because the secondard explosion was likely due to coal dust doesn't mean there were no military supplies on board. Since the US was selling supplies to the allied nations in WWI, it is very likely that the Lusitiana was carring supplies.
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Actually, I'm convinced the Titanic was sunk by a doomsday cult as a sacrifice to the space aliens riding in Haley's comet's glow as it approaches earth in 1915.
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Likely but not proven. It is a matter of honour
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Actually, I'm convinced the Titanic was sunk by a doomsday cult as a sacrifice to the space aliens riding in Haley's comet's glow as it approaches earth in 1915.
Stick a fork in that bad boy! Case closed! 8)
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My other controversy theory I heard was that the Titanic was sunk by a German U-boat.
I suppose the fact that it ran into an iceberg was just coincidence right?
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I suppose the fact that it ran into an iceberg was just coincidence right?
Noooooo - the u-boat was INSIDE the iceberg, which was crewed by the doomsday cult who sunk the Titanic as a sacrifice to the space aliens riding in Haley's comet's glow as it approached Earth ....
Get your conspiracies straight!
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No, Captain Smith was actually Captain Schmidt and he hit the U-Boat/Iceberg intentionally. He was as English as Queen Victoria.....
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and i always thought the ship just went over the edge.
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There was no Titanic...
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There was no Titanic...
Exactly. The Titanic was a conspiracy. So was WWI. And Germany doesn't even exist!
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There was no Titanic...
My great-grandfather had a ticket to be on the Titanic's maiden voyage to America, but ended up switching the ticket for another ship at the last moment
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My great-grandfather had a ticket to be on the Titanic's maiden voyage to America, but ended up switching the ticket for another ship at the last moment
Proof positive - you exist, therefore there really was no Titanic.
Q.E.D.
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I just love the way these theorys manage to disregard the facts.
1, The RMS Titanic is sitting pretty on the ocean floor at Lat 41o43'35" N, 49o56'54" W, as documented by Dr R Ballard back in 1985, the Olympic served a long career until she was finally scrapped in March 1937.
2,Many of her internal fittings can be found at the White Swan Hotel,Alnwick Northumberland UK
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3,Not to mention photo's of the Olympic & Titanic on the slipways at Harland & Wolff in Belfast.
(Olympic is on the right,painted in white for her launch, Titanic was launched painted Black)
4,Pictures of the completed vessels afloat sitting next to each other! (Titanic is on the left)
That said, just when has a fact ever got in the way of such conspiracys?
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Yes, note the cultists on the dinghy from the German submarine (the one that looks like an iceberg) as they carefully do a stealthy recon of the Titanic.
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Those shots "purporting" to show Titanic together with her older sister Olympic are great...amazing what you can do with photoshop these days.
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Those shots "purporting" to show Titanic together with her older sister Olympic are great...amazing what you can do with photoshop these days.
Oh, I think they're genuine enough.
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Of course, this is what led to that conspiracy theory of yours. If they were swapped this is when it would have been done. How can you tell which is which from those photos? There might be subtle differences but they look identical to a landlubber like me. It would obviously be far more complicated but it's basically a name change.
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2,Many of her internal fittings can be found at the White Swan Hotel,Alnwick Northumberland UK Here
That's very interesting but if you check out your link those internal fittings are all part of a unique "Titanic Experience". Nobody is really interested in Olympic & they were almost identical right down to the internal fittings.
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Hagar has the original Titanic fittings hidden in the dungeons of Lancing College Chapel!
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Hagar has the original Titanic fittings hidden in the dungeons of Lancing College Chapel!
For some reason that doesn't suprise me. Perhaps, he is actually a German U-boat captain from 1912 and this whole time he has been trying to deny the "truth" just to cover his tracks. He has just been living in England for the last 90 years or so waiting for his chance to profit off the original Titanic fittings he has been hiding.
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