Simviation Forum - Concorde

Mar 2^nd, 2006 at 7:59am

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I'm amazed nobody has posted this! On this day in 1969 Concorde got airborne for the first time 8)

There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!

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Reply #1 - Mar 2^nd, 2006 at 10:29am

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and the DC-3 is still flying....

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Reply #2 - Mar 2^nd, 2006 at 1:34pm

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So are many Piper Cubs, Wacos and my old friend the Tiger Moth Grin

There are two types of aeroplane, Spitfires and everything else that wishes it was a Spitfire!

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Reply #3 - Mar 3^rd, 2006 at 10:19am

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You wanna pay the kerosine for a fully loaded Concorde? Grin

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Reply #4 - Mar 4^th, 2006 at 2:01pm

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So are many Piper Cubs, Wacos and my old friend the Tiger Moth Grin

...and many Spitfires!

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Reply #5 - Mar 5^th, 2006 at 6:42pm

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But I don't see any of those doing londed- NY in under four hours...except when stuffed in the cargo hole of the concorde Tongue

A real shame that it isn't flying anymore..

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Reply #6 - Mar 6^th, 2006 at 7:55am

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But I don't see any of those doing londed- NY in under four hours...except when stuffed in the cargo hole of the concorde Tongue

A real shame that it isn't flying anymore..

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Reply #7 - Mar 6^th, 2006 at 6:46pm

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From my Grandpa, I've heard Concordes weren't very comfortable, and very crammed inside. He said the service was excellent, but it was very hot in the cabin. I think it would be fun to be a pilot though, flyin that fast Grin

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Reply #8 - Mar 6^th, 2006 at 8:15pm

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I think it would be fun to be a pilot though, flyin that fast Grin

$13,000 will get you a ride in a MIG-29! Grin

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Reply #9 - Mar 17^th, 2006 at 3:42pm

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$13,000 could get me a new car, well, a cheap one Grin

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Reply #10 - Mar 18^th, 2006 at 5:45pm

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It is such a shame, one crash and that ended its career brining the rich and famous across the Atlantic. That's the root of it really. If it wasn't for that crash she'd still be buzzing the skies I think. Sad

That said, after the crash and the 9/11 tragedy I read that many users of COncorde were gone. With the decline in air travel and the rise in low fare airlines poor Concorde just couldn't make it. I so wish they kept one, just one, only one for flyings sake going. *sigh*

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Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2006 at 7:28pm

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It is such a shame, one crash and that ended its career brining the rich and famous across the Atlantic. That's the root of it really. If it wasn't for that crash she'd still be buzzing the skies I think. Sad

That said, after the crash and the 9/11 tragedy I read that many users of COncorde were gone. With the decline in air travel and the rise in low fare airlines poor Concorde just couldn't make it. I so wish they kept one, just one, only one for flyings sake going. *sigh*

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Reply #12 - Mar 22^nd, 2006 at 1:30pm

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But I don't see any of those doing londed- NY in under four hours...except when stuffed in the cargo hole of the concorde Tongue

Are you sure they can even fit into the cargo hold of concorde?

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Reply #13 - Mar 22^nd, 2006 at 1:35pm

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It is such a shame, one crash and that ended its career brining the rich and famous across the Atlantic.

Concorde's days were numbered even before that crash. Environmental ordinances regarding overland flight and sound levels doomed Concorde long before the crash. Concorde was not a money maker.

Think about it, Boeing's have crashed, Airbus have had crash, DC-10's and MD-80's have crashed, but those planes weren't permanently grounded. So that logic dictates there was more to the grounding of Concorde than the crash.

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Reply #14 - Mar 30^th, 2006 at 9:45pm

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Actually the Concorde was retired due to its age more than anything else.

You have to remember the aircraft is over 30 years old and would need extensive upgrades and modifications to its systems to keep flying. BA and Air France decided it was cheaper to retire them and write off to their investment of around £100M ( $175M US) than upgrade the aircraft and then have to write off an investment that could haved topped £200M ($350M US) or more if the premium travel market didnt improve.

As far as crashing is concerned the Concorde was one of a kind. Nobody else made an aircraft that could replace it. If a Boeing or Airbus crashes, or is retired due to age, you can always find a newer model or version to replace it with. Concorde didnt have that option

And Concorde was a money maker. The aircraft made a tidy profit for both BA and Air France. It was the drop off in Premium air travel that killed it more than anything else.

Imagine that...a Yankee supporting the Concorde. 8)

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Reply #15 - Mar 31^st, 2006 at 9:39am

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Firstly the Branson offering to buy Concorde, dont believe the crap he spouted. Theres alot more to it.
Secondly, Concorde was scrapped because Airbus stopped supporting it for parts because Air France told them they couldn't afford to run the plane any more. It wasn't to do with how old it was or how modern its systems are( some of which are now only just being used in modern jets, thats how advanced it was) BA wanted to continue using it and were starting to make money from it again, but once Airbus pulled the plug on the parts that was it.

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Reply #16 - Mar 31^st, 2006 at 4:52pm

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On another note, I was recently at Heathrow and taxied past a BA Concorde sitting in the grass in between the runway and the apron right off T3. Any clue why it's there?

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Reply #17 - Mar 31^st, 2006 at 5:22pm

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That particular aircraft I think is G-BOAB and is the one of two BA Concordes that wasn't modified after the Air France disaster. They put it in storage hoping passenger traffic would pick up but the fleet was retired before that happened.

The other six aircraft are at these locations

G-BOAA - On display at East Fortune Airfield, Scotland.

G-BOAC - Retired to Manchester Airport

G-BOAD - Retired to Intrepid Museum, New York

G-BOAE - Retired to Granley Adams Airport Barbados

G-BOAF - Retired to Filton Airfiled, Bristol
Final flight for the Concorde

G-BOAG - Retired to Museum of flight, Seattle

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Reply #18 - Apr 1^st, 2006 at 2:50am

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On another note, I was recently at Heathrow and taxied past a BA Concorde sitting in the grass in between the runway and the apron right off T3. Any clue why it's there?

Thats the one that was destined for terminal 5 but I believe they ran out of space and now its going to be a gate guard on the road leading into terminal 5.

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Reply #19 - Apr 12^th, 2006 at 2:45pm

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Are you sure they can even fit into the cargo hold of concorde?

they won't fit in a concorde at all

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Reply #20 - Apr 12^th, 2006 at 11:39pm

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There was a new Concorde in the design stages in the 80's. It was called Concorde "B", had leading edge slats, upgraded engines, larger wings, more powerful and quiter engines with no afterburner, increased fuel capacity, and a range of over 5000 miles. Aircraft 17 was to have been the first aircraft built to these specifications but since they had problems selling aircraft 11-16 they never built them.

Its a shame this aircraft never was built. Had it been I am quite sure the Concorde would still be flying today over a great many more routes than it older cousin, the Concorde "A"

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