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Feb 18^th, 2006 at 9:57pm

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Why they decided to call it X,Like X=experience???

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Reply #1 - Feb 18^th, 2006 at 10:19pm

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The letter "X" used by M$ is actually a Roman Numeral that means "10". Thus, in standard numbers, it would mean "FS10" just as we call FS2004 "FS9".

Here is a list of all Roman Numerals:

I = 1
II = 2
III = 3
IV = 4
V = 5
VI = 6
VII = 7
IIX = 8
IX = 9
X = 10
XX = 20
XXX = 30
XL = 40
L = 50
LX = 60
LXX = 70
XXC = 80
XC = 90
C = 100
D = 500
M = 1,000

Knowing the numerals is the easy part. It's trying to understand their sequence that becomes the hard part. Grin

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Reply #2 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 8:50am

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Here is a list of all Roman Numerals:

I = 1
II = 2
III = 3
IV = 4
V = 5
VI = 6
VII = 7
IIX = 8
IX = 9
X = 10
XX = 20
XXX = 30
XL = 40
L = 50
LX = 60
LXX = 70
XXC = 80
XC = 90
C = 100
D = 500
M = 1,000

Knowing the numerals is the easy part. It's trying to understand their sequence that becomes the hard part. Grin

I actually find knowing the numerals the hard part!

V = 5
I = 1
V - I = IV = 4
V + 1 = VI = 6.

That's how I know it!

Oh, and I thought 8 was VIII? Unless theres an 'American-Roman' version Tongue

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Reply #3 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 9:16am

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...Oh, and I thought 8 was VIII? Unless there's an 'American-Roman' version Tongue

..Thank-you Tweek... Wink

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Yet another American mis-pronounciation... Grin

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Reply #4 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 9:52am

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Paul...Born in MCMXXXIV

LXXI at present.
Will be LXXII on the II of March MMVI.
...so don't forget, all you Romans... Wink

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LOL...!

I have too much time on my hands - you were born in 1934, and are 71 at the moment, and will be 72 on the 2nd March, 2006..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 2:18pm

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..Thank-you Tweek... Wink

...!

Yet another American mis-pronounciation... Grin

....!

http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/numbers.html

LOL...!

Paul...Born in MCMXXXIV

LXXI at present.
Will be LXXII on the II of March MMVI.
...so don't forget, all you Romans... Wink

...!
LOL...!

Do we have Roman Numarals for "Old Git"??

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Reply #6 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 2:56pm

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Do we have Roman Numarals for "Old Git"??

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But you have to accept his education is better than yours Wink

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Reply #7 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 4:32pm

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X because there already is a product on the market with a similar title.

X because it looks like X-Plane.

Oh musn't forget: X because it is their tenth attempt.

Seriously though, it could be too early to judge if FSX was created entirely out of fresh ideas rather than an immitation of something else. We shall have to wait and see.

Looking at that terrain and scenery detail, I think I had better get upgraded.

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Reply #8 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 10:22pm

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I think the reason they used X is because it is "trendy". Max-X, X-Play, X-Games, ect. For some reason people will find Flight Sim X more appealing than Flight Sim 2006 or Flight Sim 10.

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Reply #9 - Feb 21^st, 2006 at 3:17pm

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Did it also occur to anyone that maybe they havnt thought of a name yet? ???
Take for example the A380, or, before it was names the A3XX. Why would they suddenly burst into roman numerals when they have no reason to, and also all their other products are in normal digits?

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Reply #10 - Feb 21^st, 2006 at 6:16pm

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Did it also occur to anyone that maybe they havnt thought of a name yet? ???
Take for example the A380, or, before it was names the A3XX. Why would they suddenly burst into roman numerals when they have no reason to, and also all their other products are in normal digits?

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Roman numbers are well known by a lot of people. Besides, as someone else mentioned before, the numeral X seems to boost sales on certain products and TV shows [like X-Men, X-Games, etc]. Look at the XBOX 360. They didn't want to call it XBOX 2 because a title like PS3 makes the name XBOX 2 sound obsolete.

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Reply #11 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 5:45am

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I actually find knowing the numerals the hard part!

V = 5
I = 1
V - I = IV = 4
V + 1 = VI = 6.

That's how I know it!

Oh, and I thought 8 was VIII? Unless theres an 'American-Roman' version Tongue

Lol. There are some grey areas though. I've seen "4" written as both "IV" and "IIII". 18 (XVIII) and 19 (XIX) always seem to get people, as I've seen (inaccurately) both "XIIX" and "IXX"

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Reply #12 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 1:54pm

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Basically it is pretty simple when dealing with numbers up to 100. You just have to remember that it is simplified in a confusing sense. Four is IV, which is easier than writing IIII, and also, if you look at it, look at what you are seeing and say the values of the numerals out loud, so IV would be, "One before Five". Which pretty obviously means Four. Same goes for the larger values of numerals, such as X (10) and L (50) All you need to do is remember that it is made out so you dont have to write a million numerals for the number 99. instead it is simply, IC. "One before A hundred".

Alright, thats my sermon for the day.

As for the "X" factor, I am pretty sure that they arent trying to think of a name. Because if that was the case, they would most likely call it Flight Simulator 2006 "X". X is a somewhat mysterious letter in itself as well. It is one of those things that just draws your attention when it is by itself. "Flight Simulator X" is a lot more eye-catching than "Flight Simulator 10" or "Flight Simulator 2006". The X has that kind of subliminal meaning behind it, such as that it is called something different than the previous Flightsims, therefore you assume that there must be something different about it, it must be so much better that it no longer needs a year attached to it, or a catchy title. Plus, it is number 10, and numeral X, as stated many times. So there is significant reasoning that it is very much the advertising title for Microsoft.

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Reply #13 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 3:18pm

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Well you have just agreed with one point, the X does make something sell better, but saying this, and then saying that they tied it in with roman numerals makes no sense. If you have a long running line of products, as Microsoft does withit Flightsim, that are all 'numbered' in one way, you wouldnt change that. eg. the Rocky show, they wouldnt have gone, Rocky I, Rocky II, Rocky III, Rocky 4. Would they now?

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Reply #14 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 3:20pm

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Roman numbers are well known by a lot of people. Besides, as someone else mentioned before, the numeral X seems to boost sales on certain products and TV shows [like X-Men, X-Games, etc]. Look at the XBOX 360. They didn't want to call it XBOX 2 because a title like PS3 makes the name XBOX 2 sound obsolete.

I have just noticed in your post, why on earth would it be called 10 men, or 10 games? Its not the NUMERAL, its the letter.

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Reply #15 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 6:32pm

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I have just noticed in your post, why on earth would it be called 10 men, or 10 games? Its not the NUMERAL, its the letter.

Good point. But you gotta remember, little kids don't know the numerals and the letter X [or numeral X - however you like to call it] is just a letter X to the kids when they watch X-Men. Grin

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Reply #16 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 6:33pm

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If you have a long running line of products, as Microsoft does withit Flightsim, that are all 'numbered' in one way, you wouldnt change that. eg. the Rocky show, they wouldnt have gone, Rocky I, Rocky II, Rocky III, Rocky 4. Would they now?

Why not? That's exactly what they did with the Spitfire.
http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/whatmark.htm

The marketing of FS has varied over the years to keep up with changing trends. Very few people referred to FS98 as FS6 & it only reverted to that system of numbering with FS2004. The next logical step is to combine the Roman numeral X meaning 10 with a little bit of mystery. That's how these people's minds work.

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Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 8:47am

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exactly, its all marketing, it is a way to catch someone's eye as they are browsing shelves. And, like I said before, the mystery factor. We need to consider those fliers outside of our SimV world, who dont know or have shrewd ideas about what M$ will include in FSX. They may see FS 2006 on the shelves and decide that their current FS 2004 is good enough for them. It just gets redundant. However, consider the same person looking at Flight Simulator X. They are going to wonder about the X, naturally. First they will pick it up off the shelves and look to see if it is the new Microsoft Simulator, or just another new, not Microsoft simulator.

Once they deduce that it is indeed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2006 under a different label design, they will then procede to read everything on the box to find out the meaning of the X, which will lead them to see the screenshots that are always included on the labels describing the new simulator. Now that they have pictures to prove that FSX graphics far exceed those of FS9, the customer will then proceed to further wonder about the X, reading through the shortlisted "New-Features" that will also be included on the box. Excited by promises of more realistic flight, many new aircraft, higher quality graphics, "and much, much more!" The customer will then check the price tag: around $50. "Wow, thats a steal!" $50 for Microsoft's revolutionized new simulator! Flight Simulator X, "M$ must be pretty proud and excited about this simulator", so much so, that they wanted it to stand out from the previous simulators. From Flight Simulator 2004 "A Century of Flight" to the new and mysterious "Flight Simulator X".

Thats how I see it playing out.

Oh yes, the customer then proceeds to buy the simulator, return home, immediately install it, and then.......well we will just have to wait and see how the story ends!

Holiday Season 2006!The release of FSX, and the exciting conclusion to the story, Dont miss it! Grin

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Reply #18 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:25pm

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exactly, its all marketing, it is a way to catch someone's eye as they are browsing shelves. And, like I said before, the mystery factor. We need to consider those fliers outside of our SimV world, who dont know or have shrewd ideas about what M$ will include in FSX. They may see FS 2006 on the shelves and decide that their current FS 2004 is good enough for them. It just gets redundant. However, consider the same person looking at Flight Simulator X. They are going to wonder about the X, naturally. First they will pick it up off the shelves and look to see if it is the new Microsoft Simulator, or just another new, not Microsoft simulator.

Once they deduce that it is indeed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2006 under a different label design, they will then procede to read everything on the box to find out the meaning of the X, which will lead them to see the screenshots that are always included on the labels describing the new simulator. Now that they have pictures to prove that FSX graphics far exceed those of FS9, the customer will then proceed to further wonder about the X, reading through the shortlisted "New-Features" that will also be included on the box. Excited by promises of more realistic flight, many new aircraft, higher quality graphics, "and much, much more!" The customer will then check the price tag: around $50. "Wow, thats a steal!" $50 for Microsoft's revolutionized new simulator! Flight Simulator X, "M$ must be pretty proud and excited about this simulator", so much so, that they wanted it to stand out from the previous simulators. From Flight Simulator 2004 "A Century of Flight" to the new and mysterious "Flight Simulator X".

Thats how I see it playing out.

Oh yes, the customer then proceeds to buy the simulator, return home, immediately install it, and then.......well we will just have to wait and see how the story ends!

Holiday Season 2006!The release of FSX, and the exciting conclusion to the story, Dont miss it! Grin

$50? Many of us predict the price to be about $60 or $70. Grin

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Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:36pm

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apologies, but the price was not the point

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Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:41pm

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apologies, but the price was not the point

We know. It's that we've known that your scenario would always be the case for most customers. Besides, we'll buy FSX anyways [just because]. Grin

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Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:43pm

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apologies, but the price was not the point

Than what was the point?

oh wait, never mind..... Grin

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Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:55pm

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I have just noticed in your post, why on earth would it be called 10 men, or 10 games? Its not the NUMERAL, its the letter.

IN the case of "FS-X" I'll venture it's a pleasant combination of both the number "10" and the letter "X".

This will be the tenth version of the Flight Simulator product, calling it "FSX" let's it settle into a tidy 3-character acronym; using the "X" ties it into the trendy "X" factor - as stated earlier ... XBOX, X-Men, ...

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Reply #23 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 2:21pm

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I dont think M$ is worried about the X making a convenient acronym...

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Reply #24 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 2:50pm

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X is quite a good name for m$ makes more sense than "xp"

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Reply #25 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 3:18pm

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X is quite a good name for m$ makes more sense than "xp"

Do you realize what we are talking about? Where does XP come into it, and why does it make more sense for microsoft?
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Reply #26 - Mar 2^nd, 2006 at 3:59am

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MS stopped the Widows year lable with XP with win'98 being the last "year"
Putting a year lable on software makes it appear dated just a year later.

Calling it FSX will always denote the latest and greatest FS for some time to come. I get the impression that FSX will be the last one for a few years and this is why they are pulling out all the stops this time around.

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Reply #27 - Mar 2^nd, 2006 at 4:27am

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Well its like X-fire like many said the X makes you wonder. Heck i want FSX after just a single screenshot, but i still cant play FS9 at max so who knows. And i have the old FS producst, was playing FS3 the other day for kicks

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Reply #28 - Mar 11^th, 2006 at 6:25pm

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exactly, its all marketing, it is a way to catch someone's eye as they are browsing shelves. And, like I said before, the mystery factor. We need to consider those fliers outside of our SimV world, who dont know or have shrewd ideas about what M$ will include in FSX. They may see FS 2006 on the shelves and decide that their current FS 2004 is good enough for them. It just gets redundant. However, consider the same person looking at Flight Simulator X. They are going to wonder about the X, naturally. First they will pick it up off the shelves and look to see if it is the new Microsoft Simulator, or just another new, not Microsoft simulator.

Once they deduce that it is indeed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2006 under a different label design, they will then procede to read everything on the box to find out the meaning of the X, which will lead them to see the screenshots that are always included on the labels describing the new simulator. Now that they have pictures to prove that FSX graphics far exceed those of FS9, the customer will then proceed to further wonder about the X, reading through the shortlisted "New-Features" that will also be included on the box. Excited by promises of more realistic flight, many new aircraft, higher quality graphics, "and much, much more!" The customer will then check the price tag: around $50. "Wow, thats a steal!" $50 for Microsoft's revolutionized new simulator! Flight Simulator X, "M$ must be pretty proud and excited about this simulator", so much so, that they wanted it to stand out from the previous simulators. From Flight Simulator 2004 "A Century of Flight" to the new and mysterious "Flight Simulator X".

Thats how I see it playing out.

Oh yes, the customer then proceeds to buy the simulator, return home, immediately install it, and then.......well we will just have to wait and see how the story ends!

Holiday Season 2006!The release of FSX, and the exciting conclusion to the story, Dont miss it! Grin

You forgot one reason. It creates speculation on the topic of, "why did they name it -X" and people go on to post questions and answers in FS forums and that's more exposure for the upcoming product. MS has it all figured out. Anyone ever take "Business Psych 101" in school? Bill didn't become the richest person in the world by missing any angles. Grin

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Reply #29 - Mar 13^th, 2006 at 2:03pm

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Maybe it is because it is going to be cross platform and ported to X Box also?

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Reply #30 - Mar 13^th, 2006 at 4:46pm

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Maybe it is because it is going to be cross platform and ported to X Box also?

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omg.. the graphics... aw man they should do this on the PS3, with the Cell chip...

WOOT!!!

X won't be the end of it, i think it's the beginning of a new experience in flight sim...

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