Simviation Forum - Toyota introduces the Camry to NASCAR

Feb 15^th, 2006 at 8:59pm

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Well for the first time in the history of NASCAR, a foreign manufacturer is being used to race.

Any thoughts? Or am I the only redneck NASCAR fan on SimV. Tongue

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Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2006 at 9:38pm

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Any thoughts? Or am I the only redneck NASCAR fan on SimV. Tongue

maybe. My thoughts on NASCAR: would be fun to compete in, but not too fun to watch (imho).

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Reply #2 - Feb 16^th, 2006 at 5:16pm

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I been following NASCAR since 1971 when the cars were driven off the showroom floor and then modified.

As for Toyota coming into NASCAR, I think it sucks!! Angry

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Reply #3 - Feb 16^th, 2006 at 5:28pm

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As for Toyota coming into NASCAR, I think it sucks

Why? afraid of some competition?

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Reply #4 - Feb 16^th, 2006 at 5:56pm

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Well Craig it's a bit different than F1. If Ford or Chevy came into F1, they would like it I bet. However with NASCAR it's usually a bunch of Americans who like to see American cars being raced.

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Reply #5 - Feb 16^th, 2006 at 6:22pm

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Which is why it has very little following in other countries. Some people fail to realise how helpful an international fan base is. It brings in that extra money to improve the sport.
As for ford and Chevy in F1. Ford through cosworth are already in F1 and for a time were one of the more sucessful teams in F1. Chevy I am not 100% but I think they may have tried out. I'm all for opening up any sport like this to those who can compete. Keeps things interesting. And if you think about it, it will make the American manufacturers improve their products.

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Reply #6 - Feb 16^th, 2006 at 6:29pm

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Why? afraid of some competition?

Granted the Camrys sold in the States are built in States but, the company is still foreign owned. Stock car racing is suppose to be an American sport and us Rednecks don't want to see a foreign car running.
Thats what happen to USAC Indy cars and look where there at now-No More! The IRL is a joke an F-1 has it's problems. Don't get me wrong NASCAR has it's own problems but, they are handling a little better then the rest.
Back to the dirt tracks soon!! Grass roots racing Grin

Toyota won't be a factor for a couple years.

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Reply #7 - Feb 17^th, 2006 at 4:03pm

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*technically* The Toyota Camy is an "American" car because it is made in "America"

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Reply #8 - Feb 17^th, 2006 at 4:05pm

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Which is why it has very little following in other countries. Some people fail to realise how helpful an international fan base is. It brings in that extra money to improve the sport.
As for ford and Chevy in F1. Ford through cosworth are already in F1 and for a time were one of the more sucessful teams in F1. Chevy I am not 100% but I think they may have tried out. I'm all for opening up any sport like this to those who can compete. Keeps things interesting. And if you think about it, it will make the American manufacturers improve their products.

Uh, I think Nascar is making plenty of $$$ with Americans.

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Reply #9 - Feb 17^th, 2006 at 4:16pm

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Uh, I think Nascar is making plenty of $$$ with Americans.

Of course, more than any other motorsport in the US. But the extra money is always a plus to help developements.
You just then have to be careful not to end up in a situation simmilar to F1 with certain teams getting more than others.

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Reply #10 - Feb 18^th, 2006 at 6:05pm

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Of course, more than any other motorsport in the US. But the extra money is always a plus to help developements.
You just then have to be careful not to end up in a situation simmilar to F1 with certain teams getting more than others.

NASCAR knows this. That is why the bounty is shared quite evenly- just like how the cars are designed identically.

BTW: NASCAR is not just the motorsport with the biggest $$$, it is the most profitable American "sport". Biggest # of spectators, most expensive tickets-> you do the math

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Reply #11 - Feb 18^th, 2006 at 8:44pm

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I beg to differ with the price of tickets. The amout of people is right though.

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Reply #12 - Feb 18^th, 2006 at 9:37pm

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I beg to differ with the price of tickets. The amout of people is right though.

Name any american sport that has regular season tickets for over $300?

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Reply #13 - Feb 18^th, 2006 at 9:40pm

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Oh and I forgot to mention-> I really like Camrys. Plenty of room, power, comfort for an import. The ride is nice, and the handling is great.

Although, I wonder if thats because its the only other "car" I drive besides my Mustang?

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Reply #14 - Feb 19^th, 2006 at 6:53am

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Oh and I forgot to mention-> I really like Camrys. Plenty of room, power, comfort for an import

You'll find those are always better in imports. except the power side of things. Ride and comfort in most american cars just cant compete with european and japanese cars.

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Reply #15 - Feb 22^nd, 2006 at 9:45pm

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I'm curious about what a NASCAR Camry would be powered by ?

We all know that NASCAR morphed (bastardized) itslef a LONG time ago to be anything BUT stock car racing. A NASCAR race car is pretty much huge go-cart. There are NO carburetor fueled, push-rod, V-8, real-wheel drive (rigid axel) cars on the road by Ford, Chevy or Chrysler. The chassis are all pretty much the same (go carts with roll cages) and the sheet metal is a "rough" facsimile resembling the actual model... mutated to keep the aerodynamics equal.

The only thing close to stock are the engines. As far as I know, a Chevy has a Chevrolet engine.. a Ford a Ford and a Chrsler a Chrysler.. BUT they are small-block V-8s that more closely resemble the engines in cars from 30 years ago. I don't think Toyota EVER made a 5.9 liter, push-rod, carbureted V-8. So, to me, that part will be interesting.

ANYWAY.. NASCAR is about the Drivers, Sponsors and a little bit of brand loyalty and there are WAY more Camry owners than umm.. you know ? I don't even know what Ford Chevy and Chrylser are trying to represent on the track these days (they all look alike). The last time I watched, I think it was: T-Bird, Monte Carlo and 300 ?

EDIT: I just did some research. I guess they're already running in the Craftsman Truck series.. so the engine program is in place. If I were a NASCAR Purist.. I'd be a little upset as, like I said.. Toyota never did put a big, overhead-valve, V8 in a street car.. This is gonna be a special built engine with the potential to WAY outperform the circa 1960 small-blocks.

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Reply #16 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 1:20am

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It will definitely be interesting to see how they do. But I doubt it will really impact the sport that much. All the aero-packages and engines for the cars are pretty much the same anyways, and if one manufacturer makes a change that benefits them, the others complain until NASCAR changes a rule to make them all the same. NASCAR seems to be turning into the WWF of the racing sport. They are trying to change the rules so racing is more exciting, and hopefully they will attract more fans, but in doing so, they are alienating the original fan base from 5-10+ years ago. I personally don't know what I think of adding Toyota to the list, but we'll just see how it goes. Wink

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Reply #17 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 6:26am

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Can't see a problem really. Takes me back to the good old days of CART. Penske, Lola and Reynard, all with one thing in common...

Made in GB! Home of motor racing... Wink

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Reply #18 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 7:21am

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What we need is some sort of international stock car racing sanctioning body where the old, "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" really means something. In NASCAR.. a fan is more likely to shop at Home Depot, buy Viagara and choose Budweiser because a certain car wins, than they are to buy that particular car.

Wouldn't you love to see REAL, race-prepared versions of the Camry, Altima, Accord, Taurus, Monte Carlo, Sebring, Passat, MazdaA6, etc..... going at it ?

Maybe a second class for: Accura, Infiniti, Lexus, Jaguar, Saab, Volvo, BMW and Audi (I don't think there are any American made cars to compete here LOL) ?

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Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 7:54am

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They have those. They just drive round proper circuits instead of going round in circles for 3 hours Wink

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Reply #20 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 8:04am

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They have those. They just drive round proper circuits instead of going round in circles for 3 hours Wink

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Reply #21 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 9:32am

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They have those. They just drive round proper circuits instead of going round in circles for 3 hours

Be assured.. if it were up to me it would be road courses where the drivers had to actually shift, down-shift, brake and corner (right and left).

You say they have that type of racing ? Where a Monte Carlo can race against Honda (race prepared versions of the REAL street cars run by factory teams (not some goofy club or class racing (which is pretty much what IMSA and SCCA have become)).. I think you're mistaken.

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Reply #22 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 9:53am

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I was on about your second class, Jaguars BMW and so on. They having racing leagues in Europe for just about everything. from souped up vauxhalls to standard astons and jags.

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Reply #23 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 9:53am

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Things such as the BTCC (British Touring Car Championship) used to do just that (ok, no US manufacturers), although in the last few years it has migrated down in size to what we know as "hot hatches". Back in the day though, that was a really good championship. Volvo even entered an 850 estate for a year or two...

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Reply #24 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 9:57am

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Things such as the BTCC (British Touring Car Championship) used to do just that (ok, no US manufacturers), although in the last few years it has migrated down in size to what we know as "hot hatches". Back in the day though, that was a really good championship. Volvo even entered an 850 estate for a year or two...

I must admit I really lost interest in touring cars right about the time Audi came into the sport. They absolutly destroyed the competition with their 4 wheel drive system. Soon as they made Audi put a ballast weight in I had, had enough. I really am surprised it is being run the way it is. But I suppose with hot hatch's being the flavour right now, they were bound to take over the BTCC.

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Reply #25 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 10:03am

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The OLD IMSA was some of the best racing ever.. I went to a few events at Mid-Ohio.. There were some great battles between Nissan, Jaguar and Toyota and there was no mistaking that the Factories were there, supporting if not outright funding the teams.

Back in the 1970s.. The SCCA was my favorite. Same deal.. Datsun (now Nissan), Toyota, Triumph, Jaguar, Chevrolet, Porsche would put cars on the track that were pretty much the same car you'd buy. GREAT RACING !

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Reply #26 - Feb 23^rd, 2006 at 12:44pm

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But I suppose with hot hatch's being the flavour right now, they were bound to take over the BTCC.

...and that's what appeals to the 18-25 year olds. You're more likely to see a 22yr old in a Civic Type R than a Volvo! Grin

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