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Feb 10th, 2006 at 4:16am

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Well 44 years ago today he walked across a bridge and into West Berlin in exchange for Rudolph Abel!
 

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Reply #1 - Feb 10th, 2006 at 5:15am
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I feel sorry for him.

His life was ruined due to a couple of disgusting commies.


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Reply #2 - Feb 10th, 2006 at 6:25am

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I would disagree Andrew, his service dishonoured him and shunned him. The only finally honoured him 13 years after his death by awarding him the medals he rightly earned in the service of his country.
 

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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2006 at 2:34pm

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Gary Powers, the U2 pilot?

He was supposed to take that cianide tablet when he got shot down.  Got shot down, he chose to not commit suicide, he was the subject of a show trial that embarrassed Eisenhower.  That was a career ruining incident just as a captain of a navy ship running the ship aground during peacetime.
 

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Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2006 at 9:11pm

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That was a career ruining incident

I would imagine that taking his cynaide capsule would have been just as much of a career ruining event as not taking it was (if not more).   Wink

Plus, he was buried at Arlington National Cemetery which is reserved for only a select few.  So, he must have done something right.
 
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Reply #5 - Feb 10th, 2006 at 10:09pm

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How would the suicide of the pilot have destroyed the evidence of the aircraft, which the Soviets proudly displayed?

dcunning30, you are pretty much on the mark in other posts but you are way off here.

The U-2 was thought to be beyond the range of Soviet AA missiles.  You can't blame the pilot for that.
 
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How would the suicide of the pilot have destroyed the evidence of the aircraft, which the Soviets proudly displayed?

What I have read is that the biggest critism of Powers was that he failed to destory certain things before he ejected.  He did not arm the charge on the aircraft that destroys the camaras, film, and certain classified items.  Thats what the problem was.
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 10th, 2006 at 10:49pm

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Maybe he didn't have time - the aircraft being "unhittable" in the first place.

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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2006 at 7:25pm
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Ok ok maybe my comment was a little harsh. I'm sorry, but one question, why did the US Gvt shun him after? I mean, wouldnt they milk him for what (although somewhat limited) intelligence he would have gathered while in captivity? What did he do after his repatriation to the US?



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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2006 at 8:17pm

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Andrew I dont know what some people  have told you, but you dont gain any information in captivity thats worth being grilled over.
 
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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2006 at 9:15pm

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Andrew I dont know what some people  have told you, but you dont gain any information in captivity thats worth being grilled over.

Craigs probably right.  Plus, I can't believe that he wasn't debriefed after his return.  I'm sure he was.
 
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Craigs probably right.  Plus, I can't believe that he wasn't debriefed after his return.  I'm sure he was.

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Reply #12 - Feb 13th, 2006 at 10:23am

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How would the suicide of the pilot have destroyed the evidence of the aircraft, which the Soviets proudly displayed?

dcunning30, you are pretty much on the mark in other posts but you are way off here.

The U-2 was thought to be beyond the range of Soviet AA missiles.  You can't blame the pilot for that.



I don't blame Powers for anything.  I'm just describing what I believe to have happened.  Anyway, Powers was working for the CIA, and operatives are given cyanide tablets as standard issue.  Obviously, the wreckage could be inspected but there are two things.  There are mechanisms that are designed to destroy secret equipment should such an unfortunate event occur, and the Soviets would just LOVE to get inside Powers head to learn what he knew, hence the cyanide tablets.

During WWII, a US sub captain chose to go down with his boat when the rest of the crew was able to escape.  He made that decision because he knew secrets about a large upcoming operation and he didn't want the Japanese totorture the info out of him.
 

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What I have read is that the biggest critism of Powers was that he failed to destory certain things before he ejected.  He did not arm the charge on the aircraft that destroys the camaras, film, and certain classified items.  Thats what the problem was.



That makes more sense than what I previously thought.  What I read was that he was captured and didn't take the cyanide pill and I drew my own conclusion.
 

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Gary Powers, the U2 pilot?

He was supposed to take that cianide tablet when he got shot down.  Got shot down, he chose to not commit suicide, he was the subject of a show trial that embarrassed Eisenhower.  That was a career ruining incident just as a captain of a navy ship running the ship aground during peacetime.


I think that Eisenhower embarrased himself, autorising the U-2 flights over Soviet Union. The incident ruined an international conference or reunion between USA / URRS. Sorry I dont remember exactly.

Back to USA, Powers worked as helicopter pilot for a local TV, and died in a helicopter crash.

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Reply #15 - Feb 23rd, 2006 at 10:57am

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I think that Eisenhower embarrased himself, autorising the U-2 flights over Soviet Union. The incident ruined an international conference or reunion between USA / URRS. Sorry I dont remember exactly.


That's true.  Although, it wasn't like the Soviets weren't spying on the west.  In fact, the Soviets had quite the head start in spying.  During WWII, the Soviets recruited 4 or 5 English men who all knew each other.  If my memory is accurate, they were known as the Oxford 5, or something like that.    Ultimately, their spying led to Soviet actions that caused the US to have to implement the Berlin Airlift.
 

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During WWII, the Soviets recruited 4 or 5 English men who all knew each other.  If my memory is accurate, they were known as the Oxford 5, or something like that.    Ultimately, their spying led to Soviet actions that caused the US to have to implement the Berlin Airlift.

Kim Philby & the Cambridge spy ring. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/09/99/britain_betrayed/444058.stm
Philby was the embarrassingly successful double-agent who was once considered for the job of head of MI6. He was guilty of many things including giving away nuclear secrets to the Soviets. I don't know what connection, if any, they had with the Berlin Blockade.
 

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Reply #17 - Feb 23rd, 2006 at 2:02pm

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If you want to know about KGB successes in spying there are three books worth reading;
KGB - John Barron
Spy Catcher - Peter Wright
The Mitrokhin Archive - Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin
 

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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2006 at 3:56pm

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Fascinating article on the Cambridge spies here. http://www.crimelibrary.com/spies/cambridge/cambridgemain.htm

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There have been no more successful, more dramatically impressive spies than a group of Englishmen who all met at Trinity College, Cambridge University in the 1930s. To one degree or another, they were active for the Soviet Union for over thirty years. They were the most efficient espionage agents against American and British interests of any collection of spies in the Twentieth Century. One of them, Kim Philby, served the KGB for almost fifty years.
 

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Reply #19 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 1:04am

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You forgot the fifth main John Cairncross Wink
 

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The U-2 was thought to be beyond the range of Soviet AA missiles.  You can't blame the pilot for that.

On the edge of the effective altitude range of the SA-2...

Anyway the missile didn't reach the U2 at all but the shockwave kicked the plane out of balance forcing the pilot to bail out.

They hit a 'ride-of-your-life' MiG-19PU (MiG-19P with rocket boosters) with that shot too, killing the pilot
 

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Reply #21 - Feb 24th, 2006 at 7:32pm

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It's always nice to hear the Soviet point of view.

The next phase, of course, was Eisenhower's intentionally allowing the Soviet Union to launch Sputnik ahead of an American satellite, thereby setting up the "Open Sky" policy.

You can't complain if our satellites are overfying your country if your satellites overflew ours first.
 
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Kim Philby & the Cambridge spy ring. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/09/99/britain_betrayed/444058.stmI don't know what connection, if any, they had with the Berlin Blockade.


They revealed that the US didn't have any more a-bombs at that time, so that emboldened the Soviets.
 

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Reply #23 - Mar 7th, 2006 at 12:16pm

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The next phase, of course, was Eisenhower's intentionally allowing the Soviet Union to launch Sputnik ahead of an American satellite, thereby setting up the "Open Sky" policy.


....and you have evidense proving out this notion that Ike intentionally allowed the Soviets to beat the US into space?

I just figured, the Soviets worked smarter and faster than the Americans during that period of space exploration.   Roll Eyes
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I would have to second the previous post. The US had no such thing as a space agency until 1958. The only thing there was, was NACA, or the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics. If my memory serves me right, NASA was created after the overflight of Sputnik. But even when the US finally had a space organization, the Soviets kept outfoxing the US until Kennedy made us get ourselves on the moon before the Soviets got that technologically advanced.
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The Eisenhower administration viewed the Soviet satellite less as a military threat than as a boost to its behind-the-scenes efforts to establish the principle of "freedom of space" ahead of eventual military reconnaissance satellite launches. Sputnik overflew international boundaries, yet it aroused no diplomatic protests. Four days after Sputnik's launch, on October 8, Donald Quarles summed up a discussion he had with Eisenhower: "the Russians have . . . done us a good turn, unintentionally, in establishing the concept of freedom of international space. . . . The President then looked ahead . . . and asked about a reconnaissance [satellite] vehicle."
 
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Webb,

That doesn't cooberate your statement that Eisenhower intentionally allowed the Soviets to launch Sputnik ahead of American satelites.  According to your posted statement, it reads to me like the Eisenhower Administration saw Sputnik launched then assessed it's launching in a manner that they deemed favorable to them.
 

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Reply #27 - Mar 9th, 2006 at 2:52pm

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Of course he did.  Don't you know an insane conspiracy theory when you see one?

He was trying to make the best of a public relations fiasco by finding something positive in it.

This is something I would debate in a bar where no could look up the sources in real time.  I was surprised the NASA article came as close as it did to corroborating the story.
 
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Of course he did.  Don't you know an insane conspiracy theory when you see one?

He was trying to make the best of a public relations fiasco by finding something positive in it.

This is something I would debate in a bar where no could look up the sources in real time.  I was surprised the NASA article came as close as it did to corroborating the story.



LOL!!!!  Gotcha!   Grin
 

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ehhh not trying to steal the spotlight but didnt i have some credit? Tongue And by the way, does the US still do overflies with the SR71 still? Even better, are they overflying North Korea with it? We need to be.
 

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ehhh not trying to steal the spotlight but didnt i have some credit? Tongue And by the way, does the US still do overflies with the SR71 still? Even better, are they overflying North Korea with it? We need to be.

I believe the SR-71 was retired some years ago, early 1990s if I remember right.  But, the U-2 is still in use I think and they are probably surveying Korea with something (U-2, satelites, drones???).
 
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I believe the CIA still have a couple of Blackbirds in use but the USAF did retire theirs a while back. One of them is now on display at Duxford 8)
 

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Many years ago when I worked for NASA, I used to go through the hanger with NASA's SR71 every day to get to my hangar.  That thing leaked like a sieve.  It had pans all under it.  Reason why is when it's at altitude and speed, the metal expands and seals right up.  Even though I saw it every day, I never saw it fly.  Although, my wife did, qhite often as she went about her activities back at home.
 

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