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Reply #60 - Jan 30th, 2006 at 6:27pm

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Me, I really don't mind seeing a plane get stuck into the ground like an arrow on a dartboard because I don't crash at all. I like practicing hard landings for the Great SimV Races, but that's only for honing in on my emergency landing skills. Other than that, I just fly normally and land normally on my lovely P-38 [don't want to scratch that baby].
 
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Reply #61 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 9:15am

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I agree that explosions and stuff like that are not needed, and make have no reason to exist in fs9. All I want is "recoveral damage", I mean, the kind of damage that can almost make you crash but that with some skill you might just pull through...

Elevators that don't work, flaps broken, belly landings, etc,etc.

I'm not an advocate of violence just for the sake of violence. If violence is part of the expirence, as in il2 planes tearing upo in flames, I see no prblm, but in fs there is no need for that kind of thing.

Anyways, I hope that MS implemente that kind of "recoveral damage", as for the rest, I hope people don't go to extremes, because then all the comuniti would suffer.

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Reply #62 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 10:18am

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I would also like to see some more realistic damage effects.........but not to the extent of charred body parts lying about.  Unfortunately there is enough of that kind of stuff around the world these days already.

The effects I'd like to see are realistic visual graphical simulations of situations that might occur but do not result in a necessarily "fatal" crash, with the visuals  tied directly to systems failures that are somewhat realistic in how they happen and how they can affect other systems.  

If the tire blows on a wheel when you put it down too hard on the tarmac...... then some limited fire and smoke and shredded tire parts flying would be nice as the braking deteriorates and the plane veers on the runway.  If you do a "sucessfull" belly landing........ a lot of sparks, smoke, dust and such should show.... and the metal of the airframe should show dents and tearing as would be appropriate and/or any props should end up bent, destroyed, and so on.  If you deploy the flaps at 350 KIA ........they should cease to function properly and also look like what flaps DO look like when that happens.  If you have an engine fire, the appropriate aircraft systems should fail in the normal cascaded fashion and timeframes and the smoke and possibly eventually flames should show in the graphical model.  If you handle the systems to appropriately deal with the fire.... it should decrease or stop showing.  If not... it gets worse.


A bird hit could happen on an engine and just have the systems themselves affected..... with merely a subtle thud and a puff of a few feathers out the back  Grin.

And so on.

If you have a situation that results in the significant destruction of the aircraft, all that is needed is the sim to suddenly go to a red screen that says something like "Aircraft Destroyed" or "Fatal Crash" or "You Lose" or "You've been demoted"  or "You're fired!" or "You're Dead"  Wink or something like that.

I agree that the plane sticking out of the ground like a lawn dart is offensive and kinda' absurd.   Grin Cheesy Grin

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Reply #63 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 1:10pm

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spot on JB. Totally agree Wink
 

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Reply #64 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 2:12pm

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yeah I agree exactly with what john baymore says  8)
Sounds about right, and  no  charred body parts Cheesy
 

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Reply #65 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 3:04pm

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I dont know, I am for mild damage effects, but more so to the extent that you can tell that there is something wrong, without the need for an explosion or "tearing" of the fuselage. To simulate a belly landing without the green "CRASH!" running along the top would be nice, and sparks is ok, but I think that actually showing the damage such as tearing and such, is not necessary, if you get some smoke from over-exerted brakes, and some sparks if your landing gear caves and you belly-out, I think you get the idea.

And I completely agree with the recoverable damage idea. The last thing I need or want on a 2-4 hour flight is something to go wrong that is not even going to allow me to make a successful emergency landing. If you damage flaps, or spoilers or landing gear, or if you have a wing that begins losing fuel, it is still very possible to successfully land the plane, with a hint of urgency in many cases mind, but still. The only non-recoverable damage I can consider is blatantly ignoring a massive thunderstorm and flying directly into a huge, dark, obviously dangerous cloud, which indeed can rip a plane to shreds. Not that I need to see it, but it would be nice for there to be some kind of punishment for such naive behavior.
And as far as propellar damage, I can handle that, if a prop plane makes a belly landing, I am pretty sure the prop is less dense than the runway, and therefore will cave. The only other damage that I could possibly see is for a malfunctioning engine, such as smoke.

Now on the lighthearted side, it would be quite funny to shred a misfortunate duck who ventures into the path of a triple 7's massive GE engines... Grin. Sorry, had to get a little humor in here.
 
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Reply #66 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 4:02pm

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Now on the lighthearted side, it would be quite funny to shred a misfortunate duck who ventures into the path of a triple 7's massive GE engines... Grin. Sorry, had to get a little humor in here.


Add a little Hoisin sauce and we have mo shu duck.   Wink


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Reply #67 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 8:49pm

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Roast Duck is more like it. Grin
 
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Reply #68 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 8:53pm

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Roast Duck is more like it. Grin


Nah...... it's shredded and flash cooked....like stir fry.   Wink
 

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Reply #69 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 11:06pm

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Nah...... it's shredded and flash cooked....like stir fry.   Wink



The probability that it would enter the core engine is small, more likely to be spat out of the bypass and freeze dried............Duck Jerky anyone?

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Reply #70 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 11:23pm

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nah, just throw a goose in there and all the feathers go flying out. goose pillows with a whiff of aviation fuel anyone?  Cheesy  Wink
 

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Reply #71 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 11:33pm

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lol that would be funny, or if you wind up crashing trump's own personal jet u like wind up behind bar with donald trump screaming curses at u and saying ur fired.  Grin Grin 8)
 

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Reply #72 - Jan 31st, 2006 at 11:34pm

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Perhaps Microsoft has not implememted any features like this for one simple reason: it wouldn't be a good experience.  If we were to have damage in FS, it should go hand in hand we declaring an emergency.  Until we get that, damage is a tack on at best.

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If you have a situation that results in the significant destruction of the aircraft, all that is needed is the sim to suddenly go to a red screen that says something like "You're fired!"or something like that.


Will Donald trump be involved?  I might become the best pilot the world has ever known, just get me away from that man!

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Reply #73 - Feb 1st, 2006 at 12:11pm

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Right,

"Captain, you have unceremoniously ignored all warning lights on your panel, resulting in a complete loss of all systems. This has led to your 747 unceremoniously crashing halfway over the Atlantic, luckily, there were no passengers on board, but you have single handedly destroyed an aircraft, not to mention you died in the crash, so, your actions have resulted in your forced resignation from World Travel Airlines."

So captain, *red screen* You're FIRED!
 
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Reply #74 - Feb 1st, 2006 at 4:25pm

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Me, I really don't mind seeing a plane get stuck into the ground like an arrow on a dartboard because I don't crash at all. I like practicing hard landings for the Great SimV Races, but that's only for honing in on my emergency landing skills. Other than that, I just fly normally and land normally on my lovely P-38 [don't want to scratch that baby].


Landing skills that make you land at the wrong airport you mean..... Tongue Tongue Grin
 
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