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Jan 20^th, 2006 at 3:55am

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Well 45 years ago today JFK was sworn in as the youngest US president ever (and I believe the only Roman Catholic one?).

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Reply #1 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 9:09am

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Obviously, he was placed in power by Opus Dei, and eliminated by the Illuminati!

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Reply #2 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 9:32am

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Kennedy was the youngest elected. T. Roosevelt was the youngest to serve.

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Reply #3 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 5:32pm

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In answer to part of your question, yes, he was and is still the only Roman Catholic ever elected President of the United States.

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Reply #4 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 5:33pm

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Yeargh! Me and the Freemasons had something to say about that!

We introduced him to Mr. B. Ullet...!!!

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Reply #5 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 10:34pm

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Yeah, many Americans still, to this day, have a very, very deep rooted resentment and dislike of Catholicism-not to mention the somehwat irrational fear that a Catholic president will be like the Pope controlling the US Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Jan 20^th, 2006 at 11:08pm

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Yeah, many Americans still, to this day, have a very, very deep rooted resentment and dislike of Catholicism-not to mention the somehwat irrational fear that a Catholic president will be like the Pope controlling the US Roll Eyes

That's the same argument used against JFK (er.. the assasinated one, not the recently defeated one), and he turned out to be one of the most cherished Presidents of recent (post WW2). I think that while there may be some concern, for all practical purposes politicans follow their own con$cience$ and idea$.

Of course, the advantage of an RC candidate for President is that he can raise the dead to vote for him (Chicago 1960) heeeheee.

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Reply #7 - Jan 21^st, 2006 at 2:54am

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Of course, the advantage of an RC candidate for President is that he can raise the dead to vote for him (Chicago 1960) heeeheee.

Are you suggesting that's, in itself, the reason such a presidency is doomed to be short-lived? Lips Sealed

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Reply #8 - Jan 21^st, 2006 at 4:56am

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Better to use voodoo and raise the dead than do a Mayor Daley Wink

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Reply #9 - Jan 21^st, 2006 at 10:28am

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Are you suggesting that's, in itself, the reason such a presidency is doomed to be short-lived? Lips Sealed

Won't know until it's tried again, eh?

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Reply #10 - Jan 21^st, 2006 at 4:27pm

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Yeah, many Americans still, to this day, have a very, very deep rooted resentment and dislike of Catholicism-not to mention the somehwat irrational fear that a Catholic president will be like the Pope controlling the US Roll Eyes

I have never understood where that fear came from but it deffinately does exist. Not only was JFK the only Roman Catholic President ever elected, he is one of only 3 to ever even have a major party nomination.

The only Roman Catholics to ever get a major party Presidential nomination were:

Al Smith (Democrat) - 1928: lost to Herbert Hoover
John F. Kennedy (Democrat) - 1960: won Presidency
John Kerry (Democrat) - 2004: lost to George W. Bush

Robert F. Kennedy would have certainly won the 1968 Democratic nomination had he not been assinated (and had a good chance to win the Presidency), but as it stands only 3 Catholics ever nominated by a major party.

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Reply #11 - Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 3:00am

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I have never understood where that fear came from but it deffinately does exist. Not only was JFK the only Roman Catholic President ever elected, he is one of only 3 to ever even have a major party nomination.

The only Roman Catholics to ever get a major party Presidential nomination were:

Al Smith (Democrat) - 1928: lost to Herbert Hoover
John F. Kennedy (Democrat) - 1960: won Presidency
John Kerry (Democrat) - 2004: lost to George W. Bush

Robert F. Kennedy would have certainly won the 1968 Democratic nomination had he not been assinated (and had a good chance to win the Presidency), but as it stands only 3 Catholics ever nominated by a major party.

Just to inform since I have no intent to begin a viability argument here, having been acquainted with both realms. It's undoubtedly due to some of the old protestant (many of whom were victims of the great Inquistion) counterclaim that Rome, the seat of the Catholic Church, is the condemned apocryphal Babylon headed by the AntiChrist.

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Reply #12 - Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 3:13am

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the condemned apocryphal Babylon headed by the AntiChrist

Okay who let H into the Admin Forum? Grin

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Reply #13 - Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 3:39am

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Okay who let H into the Admin Forum? Grin

Ooew, if you knew the PM I just sent... or my association with the noncorporeal realm and the information thereof. 8)

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Reply #14 - Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 4:10pm

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I have never understood where that fear came from but it deffinately does exist.

I can think fo two reasons of the top of my head-the original settlers in America who came to escape Catholic persecution (yeah, it actually is cited as a reason) and the severe resentment of the influx of Irish Catholics and other foreigners during the nineteenth cenutry.

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Reply #15 - Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 6:44pm

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What an irony! Those who had fled could not accept people who are also fleeing from persecution! HAHAHA!

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P.S Its stupid of the American nation to percieve a Catholic president as a threat- hello!! You guys DO have the Illuminati, and the Masons are always happy to help. Grin

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Reply #16 - Jan 22^nd, 2006 at 11:29pm

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I can think fo two reasons of the top of my head-the original settlers in America who came to escape Catholic persecution (yeah, it actually is cited as a reason)

Then whoever cites that is extremely stupid. If anything, the English settlers in the northern colonies - the famous "Pilgrims" were actually leaving England because they were being persecuted by the Anglicans (Catholicism was quite illegal at the time, thanks to Henry the Eighth's shennanigans), and the "Pilgrims" as they are known in the US, far from coming for "Freedom of Religion" were being persecuted because the rest of England wasn't buying their brand of Anglicanism/Protestanism.

The settlers in the Southern colonies were quite happily pursuing their Anglican faith (and being quite nasty to Baptists....)

It always amazes me what passes for "history" ...

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Reply #17 - Jan 23^rd, 2006 at 12:08am

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It amazes me what passes for "history" too.

I am a born and bred Southerner and I wouldn't ask or think twice about a candidate's religion - unless he/she is a Satanist or something really wierd like that.

Do you really think that we have some sort of anti-Catholic gene or that our parents pass down horror stories of Catholic persecution?

The reason that Catholics, Jews, Muslims, etc. are not elected to national office more often is that non-Protestants are (or were) minorities. In south Florida minority (Hispanic, Jewish) legislators are the rule rather than the exception and we get along fine.

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Reply #18 - Jan 23^rd, 2006 at 12:50am

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We weren't "taught" anything I wrote, they're connections that can be easily made.

I don't claim my first point to be a major factor, but it is a factor nonetheless.

Regardless of the reasons the Northern settlers came to the states, accusing someone of Catholic practices in a Northern colony was a very severe insult, and was taken very seriously. No matter why they came, they disliked Catholics.

Yes, the settlers in the South were actually supposed to be mainly Catholic, but that backfired-more Protestants and Quakers showed up for the boats than Catholics, even for states billed as Catholic safe havens like Virginia.

So essentially, the country has very strong roots in pretty much any religion other than Catholicism, which has led to lasting divisions. There are, of course, more influential reasons.

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Reply #19 - Jan 24^th, 2006 at 12:05am

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beef, Pennsylvania may be north of the Mason-Dixon line and was a major part of the original 13 (British) colonies but has its differences from those further north. If you read the post made by Felix, he mentions the direct colonial reason for anti-Catholicism. However, not all constituents of the colonies were English and many of the Native Americans, due to previous contact with the French, did adhere to Catholicism. During the American Revolution, there was also a large increase of French (particularly, French Canadians; France allied with the colonies, I'm sure you know) whose religious claim was Catholic.
However, the more current excuses amongst those of the 'protestant' claimants relates to the counterclaims against what the Catholic authorities of the now distant past had charged as heresy. I've been associated with both camps; much of my original theological study was Catholic but I was eventually certified by a 'full gospel' organisation, many of whom are quite well anti-Catholic (whereby my tongue is very short now: bite, bite Roll Eyes

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