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Jan 16th, 2006 at 5:43pm

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I've been thinking about this, and we needn't worry. If we can run FS9 - we can easily run FSX, with just a few features less. The detail or AI doesn't need to be on 100% - I think most of our computers, that can take FS9, an easily take on FSX.
When I bought Fs2002 over 98 I had a horrible feeling it would barely work. I was wrong. Yet when I bought FS9 I had the same feeling. I was wrong. The sim ran fine and I could enjoy it. So - I wouldn't worry about FSX - it'll run fine. 8)
 

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Reply #1 - Jan 16th, 2006 at 5:59pm

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You'll need Vista!!! PANIC!!!! Shocked Shocked Shocked



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Reply #2 - Jan 16th, 2006 at 6:00pm

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Oi! Wink Stop making things up. Grin
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 16th, 2006 at 6:17pm

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True. I find that my computer can run real well for as long as AI is not too populated. If FS9 can allow you choose which AI to disable [either General Aviation or Airlines], then surely FSX can allow the same thing. For those who fly the buses, then can just simply disable the General Aviation and Flocking birds AI because those AI will be too low to see anyways [besides the lightstrobes on planes] while those who fly General Aviation aircraft with a low and slow style can simply disable the Airline AI. Much of the performance gain can be achieved by simply disable certain AI that you don't need.

Another thing. Since aircraft shadows require resources to render, it's usually wise for Airline flyers to disable the aircraft shadows since they don't really see from 30,000ft. Not only that, with the shadows disabled, which affects the AI shadows as well, resources are then directed to where you want them.

I fly General Aviation aircraft and I have the following settings:

Scenery and aircraft shadows: on
Airline AI: off
Autogen level: Dense
Scenery level: Normal

For airline flyers this should be the basic setup:

Scenery and aircraft shadows: off
General AI: off
Autogen level: sparse
Scenery level: dense [since airports are large]

These are just suggested settings. Not required settings. Basically, as others have said, how much you can render in FS is limited only by your style and hardware.
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 16th, 2006 at 9:22pm

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Did you say upgrade? Will my computer handle FSX? Are my Specs ok? Do I need Vista?





























Just kidding..... Grin
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2006 at 9:58pm

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Looking for some info....  Im gonna to be starting a Traveling job working as an A&P Mechanic maintaining blimps, and am going to be purchaseing a laptop.

How well do you think a laptop with these specs, would run FSX

HP  ZD8000 series:
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 650 w/HT Technology, 3.4GHz

2.0GB DDR2 SDRAM, 533MHz (2x1024MB
100 GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) X600

these are the most important ones. 

Also im curious out the Video Card, is says its a Pci card with x16 graphics with up to 256mb of dedicated video memory.   Is this a whole seperate unit or is it takeing the memory from the system memory, which would be 2.0GB
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 1:01am

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My guess is that MS wrote the program on whatever is availabe to the rest of us right now. They might have tweaked it for Vista but the original program was written useing "OLD" technology.

XP-32 will run the program, Vista will turn on the eye candy?????????
 

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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 1:10am

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What surprises the most is that M$ was able to make a game console with the resources of 3 powerful computers [cough]XBOX 360[/cough] and sell them for only $500 while we have to pay at least $1,700 for a single computer that we need for upgrading. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 9:02am

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That is a good point. Roll Eyes Strange really too.
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 2:02pm

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Well...I doubt stuff like those reflections and all will work with my DX9 card....but the rest should work fine... Wink
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 4:03pm
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After all it is 2006, xbox 360 has better graphics than your top pc so HEY!! GET WITH TIMES AND STOP BLOWING ALL YOUR CASH ON BOOZE!! 8) 8)
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Reply #11 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 4:39pm

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After all it is 2006, xbox 360 has better graphics than your top pc
Upgrade


Actually I beg to differ. The chip in the XBox 360 was manufactured by ATI and is the equivilant of the X850 XT PE, so yes PCs do have better graphics than the XBox 360. Infact I sight COD2. I've played it both on the PC, and XBox 360 and I must say that it ran and looked better on the PC.

On another note 90% of this fourms will need to upgrade. DX10 and 64bit processers are only the beggining. I've been looking at sigs lately, and the leasure gamers will only do the minimal, but if you want shots and a sim as nice as Fly2e, Me, Ramsa, and many others your gonna need to drop atleast $1000 on upgrades. I mean yes DX9 will run DX10, but with the FPS, Reflections / shadows, and light maps? NO!! No gents the wallets are gonna get hit pretty hard around november when all the new tech comes out.

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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 4:49pm

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On another note 90% of this fourms will need to upgrade. DX10 and 64bit processers are only the beggining. I've been looking at sigs lately, and the leasure gamers will only do the minimal, but if you want shots and a sim as nice as Fly2e, Me, Ramsa, and many others your gonna need to drop atleast $1000 on upgrades. I mean yes DX9 will run DX10, but with the FPS, Reflections / shadows, and light maps? NO!! No gents the wallets are gonna get hit pretty hard around november when all the new tech comes out.

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Multiple cores is the answer.  4 core processors are out soonish.  Then 8 core ones will be out in 2008.
 

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Reply #13 - Jan 17th, 2006 at 6:18pm

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Don't forget about Moore's Law. The law states that the density of the processors will double every 18 months. So, by the year 2020, the law will dead end and we will have no choice but to upgrade to quantum computers that can project holograms and mimic strange female voices when we say "Computer, begin holosim FSXXX". Grin
 
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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 10:35am

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Actually I beg to differ. The chip in the XBox 360 was manufactured by ATI and is the equivilant of the X850 XT PE, so yes PCs do have better graphics than the XBox 360. Infact I sight COD2. I've played it both on the PC, and XBox 360 and I must say that it ran and looked better on the PC.

On another note 90% of this fourms will need to upgrade. DX10 and 64bit processers are only the beggining. I've been looking at sigs lately, and the leasure gamers will only do the minimal, but if you want shots and a sim as nice as Fly2e, Me, Ramsa, and many others your gonna need to drop atleast $1000 on upgrades. I mean yes DX9 will run DX10, but with the FPS, Reflections / shadows, and light maps? NO!! No gents the wallets are gonna get hit pretty hard around november when all the new tech comes out.

Cheers
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So technically, will I need to upgrade?? ???
 
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Reply #15 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 12:32pm

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Don't forget about Moore's Law. The law states that the density of the processors will double every 18 months.

Thats not a law. Thats a prediction.
 

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Reply #16 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 12:33pm

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And here I was looking for an excuse to buy a monster new computer...
 
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Reply #17 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 4:29pm

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So technically, will I need to upgrade?? ???



Yes. Processer and graphics card. Probibly MOBO too depending on your socket.

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Reply #18 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 5:41pm

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Thats not a law. Thats a prediction.



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Reply #19 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 6:22pm

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Just like gravity, it's a myth......the earth sucks

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Earth doesn't suck. Blackholes do. 8)
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 18th, 2006 at 7:14pm

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Blackholes pull matter in, but I think we are now really getting of track Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 6:24pm

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My pc actualy runs fs2004 at higher FPS with more detail then 2002, I was rearly shocked when I first loaded it up.
Although as the 5*** series does not do direct x 9.0 class shaders quikly at all I think I will ethier have to force directx 8.0 mode or upgrade...

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Reply #22 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 11:31pm

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The following is a list of ATI graphics boards that are currently compatable with Vista:
By ASIC Name:
All DX9 GPUs
M10 or above
R300 or above
RV350 or above
RS400, RS480, RS482, RC410

By Brand Name:

Desktop
Discrete
All-In-Wonder® 9600 Series or higher
All-In-Wonder® X600 Series or higher
Radeon® X300 Series or higher
Radeon® 9500 Series or higher
Integrated
Radeon® Xpress 200
Radeon® Xpress 200 CrossFire™

And from Nvidia:
The following NVIDIA desktop GPUs are "Windows Vista Ready:"

GeForce 7800 GTX GPUs
GeForce 7800 GT GPUs
GeForce 7300 GPUs
GeForce 6800 GPUs
GeForce 6600 GPUs
GeForce 6500 GPUs
GeForce 6200 GPUs
GeForce FX 5900 GPUs
GeForce FX 5700 GPUs
GeForce FX 5600 GPUs
GeForce FX 5500 GPUs
GeForce FX 5200 GPUs
GeForce PCX GPUs

This list was taken from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/entpguid.mspx#EB...

I think that about covers what any of use are currently useing.

 

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Reply #23 - Jan 21st, 2006 at 11:38pm

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Following is a list of AMD processors that are designed to be ready for Windows Vista.

Desktop
AMD Athlon™ 64 FX Processor
AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor
AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor
AMD Sempron™ Processor

Mobile
Mobile AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Technology
Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor
Mobile AMD Sempron™ Processor

Workstation
Single and Dual-Core AMD Opteron™ Processors

This does not mean you have to have a 64 bit system as there is a 32 bit version of Vista also.


 

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Reply #24 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 1:44am

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Those lists are misleading. They imply that other hardware won't work, which just isn't true. All the lists mean is that the items listed will/should work.

The lists above are short on potential compatible hardware.



More to the point, the best mainstream hardware on offer today should suffice for reasonable performance, ie. CPU's of 3.5ghz and above, 1gb ram and nv 7800GT's and above.

FSX will run on a wide range of hardware, possibly down as far as an FX 5200, but it won't be pretty.

My advice:

Don't rush out and upgrade for Vista or FSX, wait until the software is released and watch what comes out in the aftermath, you'll soon have enough info to make the right choices to an upgrade path.

By the time the upcoming software is on the market, you will see some new hardware released and the current high end will certainly be available at a discount.

Don't be impatient and get caught doing 2 upgrades because you got it wrong the first time.
 

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Reply #25 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 1:49am

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Looking for some info....  Im gonna to be starting a Traveling job working as an A&P Mechanic maintaining blimps, and am going to be purchaseing a laptop.

How well do you think a laptop with these specs, would run FSX

HP  ZD8000 series:
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 650 w/HT Technology, 3.4GHz

2.0GB DDR2 SDRAM, 533MHz (2x1024MB
100 GB 7200 RPM Hard Drive
256MB ATI Mobility Radeon(TM) X600

these are the most important ones.  

Also im curious out the Video Card, is says its a Pci card with x16 graphics with up to 256mb of dedicated video memory.   Is this a whole seperate unit or is it takeing the memory from the system memory, which would be 2.0GB


The X600 is going to be a poor performer, it doesn't match that CPU's potential. There are certainly better mobile options for MSFS.

That "up to 256mb" graphics card is an onboard graphics processor, and we all know what that means right people?
 

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An X700 will be much better, also independent graphics memory is a must! Wink
 

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Reply #27 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 8:41am

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I'm afraid the X700 isn't gonna cut the mustard either sorry.

 

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Reply #28 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 8:50am

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You all speak of Vista as though it's going to be as resource heavy as FSX itself. It won't be. It's an operating system. Yes it will require more of your system resources than XP, just like XP did with 98. But it is an operating system, designed to run while letting all sorts of other applications run on top of it. It will not require all the latest hardware to work. Just like XP didn't. Because if it did then it would be months before sales finally got underway as noone would update their OS without updating their PC.
 

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Reply #29 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 10:18am

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I'm afraid the X700 isn't gonna cut the mustard either sorry.



What GFX cards are there that are much better for a laptop?

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You all speak of Vista as though it's going to be as resource heavy as FSX itself. It won't be. It's an operating system. Yes it will require more of your system resources than XP, just like XP did with 98. But it is an operating system, designed to run while letting all sorts of other applications run on top of it. It will not require all the latest hardware to work. Just like XP didn't. Because if it did then it would be months before sales finally got underway as noone would update their OS without updating their PC.

The requirements will be not as bad as a lot of people are saying.  This is the first time a 3D card has been required, so i would not expect specs to be any more than double XP. Wink
 

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Reply #30 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 6:52pm

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What GFX cards are there that are much better for a laptop?



Laptop graphics are quite different in the way they are implemented on mobile PC's.

For a start, very few Laptops have a dedicated graphics card within, most are "onboard solutions", (which is almost a misnomer).

The laptops that do have a dedicated card often have that card tied into the bios for that PC, making any upgrade difficult if not impossible.

The mobile PC industry seems clandestine and inflexible, information is not as readily available on their workings, in fact, it is often hidden. The mobile PC world is protecting this rare kind of monopoly, where they can extract high profits through these practices.

Who wouldn't want a laptop with fantastic specs at a reasonable cost? Unfortunately, the culture of the mobile pc industry is doing it's utmost to prevent such a situation, and anyone who wants great graphics on a laptop is subjected to the usery imposed on the public at large.

The public is partly to blame. Laptops are endeared as a fahion accessory, any extras are viewed by people as status symbols or whatever, (I'm immune and ignorant of fashion speak sorry). This is one of the major factors in keeping prices high. (Yuppies have a lot to answer for)

But I digress. When you buy a mobile PC, you are pretty much stuck with whatever graphics come with the laptop.

I'm not up on the latest models of laptops with good graphics, suffice to say they do exist at a price.

You want great graphics on a laptop? You better fill your wallet.
 

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Reply #31 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 6:55pm

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What GFX cards are there that are much better for a laptop?


Well there are the GO 7800s and Mobility Radeon X850s do exist, but noone uses them. Seriously if you wan't to get the full FS expirence your gonna need a desk top, cus you cant swap Lap top cards Wink

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The requirements will be not as bad as a lot of people are saying.  This is the first time a 3D card has been required, so i would not expect specs to be any more than double XP. Wink


Um yes, but look around at sigs Wink theres going to be alot of upgradeing to be done. Atleast everyones gfx card as noone has DX10. I hate to say this, but most of us are going to need to drop atleast $800 ~ 1000 to be able to go vista, let alone FSX

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Reply #32 - Jan 22nd, 2006 at 7:44pm

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I hate to say this, but most of us are going to need to drop atleast $800 ~ 1000 to be able to go vista, let alone FSX

Cheers
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Maybe FSX but I will bet money on anyone with a 64bit system being able to run Vista if they so wished.
 

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I did not mean to imply that the list I posted was the only hardware that will work with Vista. The graphics card list covers a wide range of boards which I am sure most of us own anyway.

Here is the link to where the info came from:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/vistahardware.ms...

 

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Reply #34 - Jan 23rd, 2006 at 4:26am

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Yea, I know, just making sure people didn't panic about it.
 

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