...Well let me just say, in answer to the original question by aviation_nation, which was you might remember....

" hey everyone.
how many of you out there would like to see regular* military traffic".......

.....is NO I wouldn't....what more can I say?...........

Your opinions are as valid as mine...but it is Sir Bill and his team you have to convince, and if I was a betting man I would wager you will be dissappointed if you want FSX to be anything more than it is now.......commoner.


 

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Siggghhhhhh

You can add as much military traffic as you want. Trouble is the people who shout loudest for it are either too thick or too bone idle to get off their backsides and do it for themselves.

There were several things I wanted in FS. I wanted Kai Tak open - so I created the scenery. I wanted to have AI helos so I made my own - sorry, almost uploaded but never got round to it as too busy doing other projects. I wanted to have AI aircraft and helos flying on and off carriers, so I created a system and sceneries (sorry again, never bothered uploading but Ozzie has flown it).

The great majority of the more sensible things that people want in FSX you can already get - but you need a little effort to download and install something that someone else has created for you to do it. Even that's a bit too much trouble for some people apparently.

How many of the folks saying 'I want, I want' have actually themselves made and contributed any add-on to the sim community? Not too many I'm sure.

So...

I run two businesses, have raised a family and still have one at home, work a seven day week, have owned two aircraft and could fly every day at that time in my life. But what has that got to do with it?

I happen to enjoy this hobby greatly, admire the folks who have devoted enormous skill and effort in creating the software, much appreciate the contributions of others who generously provide the stunning free addons that so enhance my enjoyment and have tried to make a small effort to give a little bit back when I have ben able to the freeware community.

We all have our priorities in life that change as we pass from phase to phase. There are many things I would like to do that I don't have time for and there are things I will never do because I recognise that I'm not clever enough.

But what pi**es me off is the guys who sit on the sidelines, never making an effort to make a contribution of their own and yet constantly make demands and criticise what others have done.

I am sorry if expressing these views upsets you in any way - I'm very surprised ex-pat if that is actually the case.

Go in peace.

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That is understandable, statement.
I have never produced and am unlikely to do so. I have no understanding of computers. Anyone who does produce is a God of the white magic box that lives under my desk. I kneel before them.  I take my hat off to them.  They truly have my admiration. I fully admit to being a user with no Idea about production, but not only that, I have no interest in learning about computers or writing software for them. That does not make me lazy or too thick, but you are tarring a lot of people with the same brush in this thread. As for upsetting me, not at all. Sometimes these conversations are a little more "entertaining" than the usual:
Who has got the Nocd patch; what’s the best download; should I land my 737 at 124 knots or 125 knots, well you know what I mean.


Matt

I still haven’t seen anyone post a valid example of what evil thing would happen if a combat capability was added.

We have opinions:

....The terrible thing that would happen is that the finest PC Flight simulator..indeed the ONLY flight simulator worthy of the name.....would be reduced to the Genre ..."Shoot 'em Up" .UGH!

How? Do combat sims require a lower fidelity or less “real as it gets” stuff?



I don't want to start a political discussion, but I have a VERY good example and I'll just sum it up with three numbers: 9/11

The terrorists used FS2000 [it was still the latest at the time] to train themselves to ram four planes into four different buildings. Can you imagine what kind of training they will have if guns and explosions were included?

You can do a 9/11 simulation now with the FS series. So how does the combat ability change this? The two are not related to each other. 

I don’t get the second part. Are you saying the terrorists will attack the US with WW1 aircraft, Zeppelins or ww2 aircraft? Seems odd?

Is there an example that supports a combat ability would be detrimental to FSX? Is the "fear" justified?

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Thanks for pointing that out. AI is what we were talking about. Not combat capabilities. Of course, some of us strayed off topic [me included], but thanks for reminding us what this topic is mainly about.

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I use to be in CAP. I left the program as a C/2nd Lt. After that, I joined the Air Force and I'm now a A1c working in the Pharmacy.

Katahu
314 Medical Support Squadron
Pharmacy Tech [aka: Professional Drug Dealer ]
Little Rock AFB

Flight simulator 4.1, Flight Simulator 5, Flight simulator 95, Flight simulaotr 98, Flight simulator 2000, Flight simulator 2002, Flight simulator 2004, Flight Simulator X...oh, and the one for the spectrum 48k was also flight simulator something!!

This are all the flight simulators that I've played siince I was a child, and I can't seem to find the word "civil" in any of them!!!!

Just two words, flight and simulator. This is exactly what it is! A simulator of flying in all it variations!so, I see to fail the point of people saying that this is only a civil flight simulator...

I'm against guns and I fail to understand how a so called developed nation can still defend the right for everyone to have a gun with litle less than a visual check by the person who sells them!!!

I hate the macho things of: uhh, see how far I can hit that bottle??

I don't like hunting, and I sure despise anyone trying to end a human life...BUT:

I do feel that the military procedures in flying are quite chalanging, and as a flight enthusiast, I also would like to try those chalenges, and why not, trying to use a gun to destroy a target!

Now, this has nothing to do with me wanting to kill anyone or destroy anyone in the real world, it merely has a technical attraction because it is hard and demanding to operate a modern jet fighter!

This is what I want from my flight simulator, not the ability to kill people, or even pretend it, but the ability to perform realworld chalenges, just for the complex nature of it!!

I loooove flying my new fsd cessna, and flying metal cigars, but I also love to fly military jets, as I love to fly ultralights, etc,etc!!

So, basically, I love flying anything, and therefore I'm opposed to any form of scensorship that can be put into a flight simulator!

cheers