Simviation Forum - The simV International Airshow

Jan 14^th, 2006 at 5:16pm

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Well, it appears that you lads liked the airshow! Cheesy

Tweek and I wanted to know though - is it worth doing again next/month/year/whenever, if so, what we could improve etc.
We also want to thank all of you for coming to the show and having a fun time! 8) Wink

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Reply #1 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 6:28pm

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how about making it bi-monthly? I only got to see the first act before it switched servers but what I saw looked like it was going to be a good event.

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Reply #2 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 6:42pm

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It was great! I suggest that we find something different for spectators. The best thing would be if someone could make like a 1 poly plane (as in flat piece) and then texture it to look like a person.

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Reply #3 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 7:07pm

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It was great! I suggest that we find something different for spectators. The best thing would be if someone could make like a 1 poly plane (as in flat piece) and then texture it to look like a person.

I'm sure a nice low-poly AI plane would do, nothing special, an AI cessna or cherokee or something.

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Reply #4 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 7:07pm

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It was great! I suggest that we find something different for spectators. The best thing would be if someone could make like a 1 poly plane (as in flat piece) and then texture it to look like a person.

I populate all my airfields with the help of LAGO's "Flight Sim Enhancer", people, animals, aircraft, vehicles, buildings, vegetation, etc....
..'trubble is....everyone has to have the payware program installed...!
It really works then...!
(I like it)...!

Otherwise...
Someone would have to publish a scenery add-on, (similar to the above), for the proposed airfield, using whatever scenery designer program is out there...?
It's a good idea tho'... Wink

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Reply #5 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 7:32pm

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I found a new aerobatic glider! Expect to see some amazing gliding next time....

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Reply #6 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 9:38pm

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It was great! I suggest that we find something different for spectators. The best thing would be if someone could make like a 1 poly plane (as in flat piece) and then texture it to look like a person.

That was my idea, I said that at the time!! Wink

Anyway, GREAT SHOW GUYS, really enjoyed it. Lessons learnt,

1. DO NOT try and have three high framerate heavies at the same time! (my flight) Even the high end graphic boys were in single figures!

2. Server. Seems to be alot of confusion about where/when/HOW, etc. May I suggest useing the MSN Game Zone? The games there can be launched by just a click of a mouse, no ip numbers or port noncence and we can lock 'our' game with a password so that only SimV peeps come in. The WSPilots server is a public server after all.

3. Better disapline with regards to the time table. Especialy with heavies, it's good to know in advance as they can be 'en route' or in the air paused just out of range so there isn't the mucking about trying to manouver, etc.

4. Speed. Seemed to me that there was alot of fast stuff going on. Good though it was, in a jerky multiplay environment it was "wow, oh he's gone..."! Maybe more emphasis on slower flybys and displays?

5. Sponsership, we could display advertising and get free food, etc. (ok, i'm joking on that one!) Wink

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Reply #7 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 10:50pm

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Actually your all wrong! It was me who said, "Why dont we get someone to make a blank model or a simple cube for the spectators?" Twas a great airshow, I agree with the speed though, either we have to find a really good server or slow the displays down.

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Reply #8 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 12:32am

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Crap, I forgot all about it. Maybe I'll remember next time Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 1:05am

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I'm sad I wasn't able to join you, but if you decide to do another later, hopefully...

As there are people from all around the world, why not to name one different guy each time to choose the display place in his country, so he would somehow be the host and we would be his guests. it would allow us to discover nice place in country we may not fly too often...
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Reply #10 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 3:25am

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I'm sad I wasn't able to join you, but if you decide to do another later, hopefully...

As there are people from all around the world, why not to name one different guy each time to choose the display place in his country, so he would somehow be the host and we would be his guests. it would allow us to discover nice place in country we may not fly too often...
if you see the idea...

Now THAT is a good idea!!

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Reply #11 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 5:40am

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3. Better disapline with regards to the time table. Especialy with heavies, it's good to know in advance as they can be 'en route' or in the air paused just out of range so there isn't the mucking about trying to manouver, etc.

As it may sound like a good point, it's impossible to stick to the original time table, as people do have to leave earlier than expected, so they have to perform their display before the ones who can stick around. I created the original programme as one to work around, so at least we had some sort of order, with room for late comers, and.. 'early-goers' Tongue

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Reply #12 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:03am

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Monthly or bi-monthly meetings sound good, probably bi-monthly while the SimV race season is still on.

A spectator texture sounds excellent! A plane in FS9 can typically have 30,000 polygons, you could make a flat 2D spectator easily enough but why not a 3D spectator with about 300 polygons? A small crowd (say 10 people, all variations on the same theme) would be 3,000 polygons. 10 of these crowds would take no more resources than a single plane parked on the sidelines, but look like 100 people milling about watching the show! Anyone got the skills/knowledge to make something like that?

Having a theme for some of the airshows sounds good. WW2, Golden Age, biplanes, gliders, ultralights, fast jets, etc. How about taking a real airshow, putting the details on SimV, and recreating it using the same planes?

The server needs to be chosen in advance, and checked out to make sure everyone can use it. Then stay there! If it has to be MSN Game Zone, then so be it (I haven’t tried that one). We don’t have the right to stop other people using a public server at the same time, if they want to have a picnic in the middle of the runway during the airshow there’s nothing we could do about it.

The start time was supposed to 5pm GMT. When that time came, one or another flyer hadn’t yet arrived so everything was put on hold for 5 minutes. Then someone else dropped out and we waited for them to come back. This happens with the SimV races as well. What happens at a real airshow or in a real race if one entrant is delayed or develops mechanical problems? The show goes on without them.

FS9 (mine, at least) often suffers from a jerky display where planes bounce around the sky, back and forth, left and right, sometimes going underground or briefly disappearing altogether! Other times they look like cardboard cutouts being wheeled along an invisible track. I’m not sure if there is a solution, did anybody else see it like that yesterday?

I like the idea of a different country hosting the airshow each time!

Looking forward to the next one...

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Reply #13 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:22am

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The server needs to be chosen in advance, and checked out to make sure everyone can use it. Then stay there! If it has to be MSN Game Zone, then so be it (I haven’t tried that one). We don’t have the right to stop other people using a public server at the same time, if they want to have a picnic in the middle of the runway during the airshow there’s nothing we could do about it.

That's why I stopped in. I run the WSP servers fellas, and you're always welcome to have your shows at WSPilots. I was just making sure people were giving you the respect of staying off the runways. (i had my steel-toed boots on for booting LOL) Plus I grabbed a few screenshots also. Cheesy

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Reply #14 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:27am

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Thanks for that sky!

you are also always welcome to join our shows, if you want Cheesy

Cheers Theis

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Reply #15 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:34am

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Thanks!

Sorry about being in the Bell 206. I know you guys wanted people in the default cessna. I was just hovering around and patrolling the area, trying to stay out of your area. Tongue

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Reply #16 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:36am

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Thats ok, we could not kick you out for that, youre the admin Grin

and it was ok you was in the bell, no big deal there

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Reply #17 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:57am

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That's why I stopped in. I run the WSP servers fellas, and you're always welcome to have your shows at WSPilots. I was just making sure people were giving you the respect of staying off the runways. (i had my steel-toed boots on for booting LOL)

Oh! Well that's different then - thanks for that!

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Reply #18 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 8:12am

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That's why I stopped in. I run the WSP servers fellas, and you're always welcome to have your shows at WSPilots. I was just making sure people were giving you the respect of staying off the runways. (i had my steel-toed boots on for booting LOL) Plus I grabbed a few screenshots also. Cheesy

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Reply #19 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 5:01pm

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Next time make it a bit later... Although it was my own fault that i mis-read the times i missed everything due to coming home late from work ??? From the screenies I've seen it looks though You guys had a blast!

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Reply #20 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:10pm

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By starting at 5pm (or a bit later), many people had to leave halfway through the show to go eat. Starting earlier or later to avoid meal times would be better.

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Reply #21 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 6:30pm

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Well i Didnt Get to attend the Airshow (seeing that i didnt have FS9) Cry

but i see one problem in this suggestion below

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2. Server. Seems to be alot of confusion about where/when/HOW, etc. May I suggest useing the MSN Game Zone? The games there can be launched by just a click of a mouse, no ip numbers or port noncence and we can lock 'our' game with a password so that only SimV peeps come in. The WSPilots server is a public server after all.

The MSN server Can only go 16 people at a tme so you would need multiple servers and find some way to merge them all together
wich, to my knowledge, is impossible from the user level
well i would kep on using WSPilot

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Reply #22 - Jan 15^th, 2006 at 7:21pm

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Ah, didn't think of that!

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Reply #23 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 6:34am

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I had a great time at the show, enjoyed watching all those great displays (all better pilots than me Wink

) but there was a lot of sitting around. I know that there were a lot of displays to see but some folk flew two or more times so maybe everyone could do a couple of displays just to get in on the action a bit more? I had no server issues at all and no real frame rate hits, but then I have a fast broard band connection and fairly high end machine so I would not have expected any to be honest. I think bi-monthly would be great for the shows, give folks time to practice new displays and download new aircraft and if it's too often folk will just get fed up with it. Theme shows are a good idea too but remember some folk don't like certain types of aircraft (I don't like modern or large types for example) so some flexibility is needed. Most real shows, even themed shows, have a mix of types of all ages so I think we can work with that. Very well organised chaps, even when someone was missing the gaps were filled in very well and very quickly, just like a real show. I think it needs to start on time and folks who are late can drop in when they can, again just like a real show. Hope to do this again chaps, see you on the ramp next time. Grin

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Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 7:02am

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...... I think it needs to start on time and folks who are late can drop in when they can, again just like a real show. Hope to do this again chaps, see you on the ramp next time. Grin

Quite right... Wink

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As in a real show, you either make time to watch/enter it all, or just pop in and out when available... Wink

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Reply #25 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 7:06am

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Just like in reality there always cancellations due to 'Operational Commitments' Wink

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Reply #26 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 7:33am

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Just like in reality there are always cancellations due to 'Operational Commitments' Wink

I would love to be able to join in with the U.S Tour flights organised by Jared....
...but I live in England and Jared and his crew live in the U.S, and therefore there is a time difference, resulting in me being tucked up in bed when the flights occur, so I accept that I can't join in unless I make a special effort.
I wouldn't dream of suggesting that Jared changes his flight schedule just to suit me... Wink

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Reply #27 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 8:04am

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may I suggest using the TeamSpeak server next time (If everyones bandwidth will allow it)? That way we could talk to each other, and let the airport controller decide whos turn it is to fly. It would also help keep oganazation problems down to a minimum....

Just a thought. Grin

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Reply #28 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 8:36am

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regarding teamspeak, I don't have any problem with this as long as it is not a must, and people who don't use it are not apart of the event.
What I mean is that i'm not confortable with spoken english, and my accent is just so bad that usually nobody understand me, or I can't understand people with particular accent (north UK...)...
down here, everybody's first language is not english, and it has to be accounted for.

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Reply #29 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 9:38am

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...and I just love typing comical comments into the chat-box, and reading the replies...
...all part of the fun in Multiplayer... Grin

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...plus the fact that Teamspeak looks overly complicated to me...
...and I just hate "Complications"...LOL... Grin

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Reply #30 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 10:21am

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How about including a dogfight with two flyers in classic warplanes....or pick a time theme, all planes at the show from the same era kind of thing....

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Reply #31 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 11:48am

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It wouldn't always need to be a carefully structured airshow, you could just hold a rally one afternoon. Pick a theme, say WW1, and compile a list of a dozen or so popular aircraft to downloaded from that era - Camel, Triplane, Eindekker, DH-2, etc. Then people can drop in whenever they get the opportunity, and if someone wants to put on a display or set up a dogfight then they're welcome to organise it themselves. Keep it low key and informal.

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Reply #32 - Jan 16^th, 2006 at 3:26pm

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I think I may turn up next time. I'll have a proper computer by then so I'll be able to buy FS9.

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Reply #33 - Jan 17^th, 2006 at 5:38am

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Was it just me or was the servers only letting on about 18 players at a time? Because I've connected to ws pilot quite often before and on the day of the airshow i spean about an hour and couldn't connect to the server everyone else was on Cry

I think this is low poly http://www.rwy12.com/rwy12/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11 ; altough it comes as a rwy 12 object library the fence placer tool appears in your aircraft list andshouldnt cause too much lag, and i you dont need rwy 12 to use the fence placer ( i dont think)
Or you could make a really small object in gmax just for spectating ( like a sphere) if someone knows how to incorporate it into fs.

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Reply #34 - Jan 17^th, 2006 at 3:31pm

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No NOT a sphere. Spheres are the worst thing you could possibly make for that purpose. A cube will have 6 polys, and 6 polys only. A good sphere with a 3 inch on-screen diameter can have thousands.

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Reply #35 - Jan 17^th, 2006 at 3:55pm

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Was it just me or was the servers only letting on about 18 players at a time? Because I've connected to ws pilot quite often before and on the day of the airshow i spean about an hour and couldn't connect to the server everyone else was on Cry

This was probably due to the fact that someone in the game, (possibly you also) didn't have the proper ports open. It's too time consuming to scan every person who joins, so It's up to everyone to make sure that they're setup is corrected BEFORE joining. Cheesy

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Reply #36 - Jan 17^th, 2006 at 5:23pm

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Also, I realised that Windows Firewall was interfering with my connection to the 23458 server. Even if it's only temporary, TURN OFF your Windows Firewall/Anti-Virus programs if you want it to be hassle free.

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Reply #37 - Jan 18^th, 2006 at 1:17pm

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No NOT a sphere.

You know what I mean, something small and simple ( box then.)

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(possibly you also) didn't have the proper ports open

Nope I had my ports open (Been on ws pilots quite often and didnt have that problem before) Cheesy

(just oceania 2 port 3456) i cant get on at the moment, altough theres a few players on it so ill have to go on when theres nobody there to see if it works then.

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Reply #38 - Jan 18^th, 2006 at 6:05pm

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i cant get on at the moment, altough theres a few players on it so ill have to go on when theres nobody there to see if it works then.

If you know the names of the people on the server during the times you cannot connect, PM me (those names) and I will do a port scan to see who may have their ports closed. Cheesy

OPENNING PORTS is not hard at all! Make sure they are open so everyone can have an enjoyable experience! Cheesy

Nice work with the Router Tutorial, eno. Tongue

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