Simviation Forum - FS X 64 bit

Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 8:07am

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Reply #16 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 8:15am

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Yes, but the wet runway argument was much easier to follow Roll Eyes

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I'm really not trying to start an arguement, just a discussion, it is a difficult subject that is hard to explain. Wink

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Reply #17 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 8:34am

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I'm really not trying to start an arguement, just a discussion, it is a difficult subject that is hard to explain. Wink

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Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 9:10am

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I'm really not trying to start an arguement, just a discussion, it is a difficult subject that is hard to explain. Wink

It was just light hearted come back. I know the feeling. I was on the ramp yesterday, piss wet through in the rain, did not see a single reflection Wink

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Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 9:25am

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It was just light hearted come back. I know the feeling. I was on the ramp yesterday, piss wet through in the rain, did not see a single reflection Wink

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Reply #20 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 11:15am

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Reply #21 - Jan 13^th, 2006 at 7:14pm

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Well I did stuble upon Microsofts website saying that 1-2 64bit cpu machines can handle up to 128 Gb of Physical memory max for a 1-2 32bit cpu is 4 GB.

If I understand you right you are saying the 64bit cpu makes larger "packets" because it can any the data that dosen't fit on the ram will be stored on a harddisk in the pagefile and when it can it will take from the page file and put into the ram. If I am correct at what you are saying then I don't see how the 64 bit cpu uses more data. If a packet will be to big to fit on the remaining ram can't it just make a smaller packet or wait a little longer for space to become avalible? The cpu can handle 64 bits of data at once but rember I will need fewer 64bit chuncks than I will need 32 bit chuncks. You may be right and I not understand it at all, I am just using my simple point of view to try and decifer what is happening, and it just boggles me that my 512 meg program can turn into a 1 gig program just by getting processed more efficiantley...
I looked here http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/entpguid.mspx and it seems to say 512 will be required for either OS.

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Reply #22 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 1:13am

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Reply #23 - Jan 14^th, 2006 at 3:17am

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I got the information for Windows Vista from the interview of Nigel Page, from Microsoft.

Here are some quotes from the interview:
http://www.apcstart.com/teched/pivot/entry.php?id=6

It is possible having double memory might be for performance of the 64-bit system rather than necessity.

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Reply #24 - Jan 17^th, 2006 at 8:54pm

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There seems to be some confusion about all this. CPUs and processing speak in terms of binary, not decimal, which seems to be the misunderstanding.

64bit means processing in 64bit integers, or 64bit address space. That is not 2 times more than 32bit, it is more than 4 billion times more address space.

You must convert binary to decimal to get an idea of how big this actually is. Binary (base 2) times 64 = 18446744073709551616, which is just over 18 quintillion.

Binary (base 2) times 32 is only a mere 4294967296, or just over 4 billion.

Address space is the amount of binary data that can be registered and held in RAM. Each space is assigned a location (address) one byte in length. With 32bit, your are limited to the 4GB (4 billion bytes) before the OS runs out of numbers (addresses) to assign. Using 64bit registers, with the larger integers, the RAM can be assigned up to 18 billion billion bytes of address space. That's the max RAM a 64bit OS can use -- 18 billion GB (or 18 exabytes). It's virtually unlimited.

How this all equates to performance in flight sims is beyond my scope. But, I am confident it will help and has potential to help A LOT.

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Reply #25 - Jan 17^th, 2006 at 11:52pm

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I hate math. Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Jan 18^th, 2006 at 12:36pm

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I reckon he made up those numbers. Quintillion, exabyte. Really. Roll Eyes

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Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 9:11am

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There is a guy a my work place that has an IBM with AMD dual processors, and he says once you have had a dual processor machine you will not want to go back to a single processor or even a dual core processor. He can run multiple programs and windows and even a DVD movie all at the same time and move them around on the screen without any hesitation. Just thought I'd throw that in, have a good day! Grin

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Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 11:11am

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Dual-core and dual cpu is the same. Just one requires two sockets and other only requires one. Wink

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Reply #29 - Jan 19^th, 2006 at 11:50am

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Dual-core and dual cpu is the same. Just one requires two sockets and other only requires one. Wink

Which is obviously the difference. As with two cores your pushing twice as much data through the one socket where as with duel processors you have two sockets so it's potentially twice as fast. Tongue

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