Simviation Forum - Thermals

Jan 7^th, 2006 at 12:03pm

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As i read the article posted here in the forum about the new FSX and saw that the DG808s will be available i wonder if there will be more and more realistic thermals in FSX.

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Reply #1 - Jan 7^th, 2006 at 12:07pm

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Its possible. Hopefully, they will have a tow or VET like you can get now.

What I always thought would be a good Idea is if in the sailplane, you flew the tow, and when you change views you change into the sailplane cockpit. ONce you reach altitude, you switch to the sailplane and pull the release, and the tow either turns into ai and goes back or just dives away and dissapears.

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Reply #2 - Jan 7^th, 2006 at 12:22pm

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yep, i also thought about smth. like that...as being a glider pilot i m seeing forward to a tow effect. at the moment i m happy the the tow effect in emma field but theres still need of improvement, espacially in the flight dynamics.

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Reply #3 - Jan 7^th, 2006 at 4:20pm

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yep, i also thought about smth. like that...as being a glider pilot i m seeing forward to a tow effect. at the moment i m happy the the tow effect in emma field but theres still need of improvement, espacially in the flight dynamics.

Schh!
Don't mention the lack of realistic flight dynamics. Some people will label you as a whiner and ask you to keep your mouth shut. Roll Eyes

But yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you

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Reply #4 - Jan 7^th, 2006 at 4:26pm

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Schh!
Don't mention the lack of realistic flight dynamics. Some people will label you as a whiner and ask you to keep your mouth shut. Roll Eyes

But yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you

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Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2006 at 5:44am

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Im also a glider pilot and considering that I find the tow (and climbing in a thermal) some of the most enjoyable and challenging parts of glider flight, I really hope that they can now be done.
Also, im hoping that in the new flight simulator there will actually be dangerous turbulence inside large clouds. In FS2004 you can take a cessna into the hugest and most "turbulent" cloud and come out completely unscathed. I hope they improve that as weather is a very crucial element to gliding..

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Reply #6 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 4:40am

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.............. In FS2004 you can take a cessna into the hugest and most "turbulent" cloud and come out completely unscathed. I hope they improve that as weather is a very crucial element to gliding..

..lol...Wow..you like fancy the wings to fall of and parachute down or even actually dying in the sim then...........commoner Shocked

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Reply #7 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 4:56am

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Im also a glider pilot and considering that I find the tow (and climbing in a thermal) some of the most enjoyable and challenging parts of glider flight, I really hope that they can now be done.

I think this is a good example of the diversity that we have in the FS world. I am also a glider pilot and the one thing in the FS series that does nothing for me, is the gliding simulation. I have tried and tried, but can't get into it. Gliding is flown through your backside, there is nothing like the kick of a thermal through the rear or feeling the wing lift and then turning in. I have tried other gliding sims too. There are some good ones out there, but gliding is so much more tactile than other flying....welll for me anyway. Still if FSX has a good aerootow or winch launch, then maybe I will be a convert. Wink

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Reply #8 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 8:16am

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Also, I'm hoping that in the new flight simulator there will actually be dangerous turbulence inside large clouds. In FS2004 you can take a Cessna into the hugest and most "turbulent" cloud and come out completely unscathed. I hope they improve that as weather is a very crucial element to gliding..

Excellent suggestion...!
....also for powered aircraft, as well...
I am always amazed at the screen shots of Sim Pilots flying through, or near, highly dangerous Cumulonimbus cloud formations... Shocked

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Any form of cloud should always be treated with GREAT respect, and general aviation pilots of powered aircraft should really spend time on the ground until the cloud dissipates...
...so...
I would like to be able to experience the effects of various cloud formations, and be aware of their dangers... Shocked

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It is often dangerous to approach within 5 miles of a building cloud formation!!
The interior of a towering Cumulus cloud can tear your aircraft apart...!!
Most clouds should be generally avoided...!

I would strongly advise any Sim Pilot to study Meteorology*...a truly fascinating subject...and as a motorcyclist I have a vested interest in it... Wink

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Reply #9 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 11:01am

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It is often dangerous to approach within 5 miles of a building cloud formation!!

My instructor told us to stay atleast 20 miles from a thunderstorm

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Reply #10 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 12:06pm

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Excellent suggestion...!
....also for powered aircraft, as well...
I am always amazed at the screen shots of Sim Pilots flying through, or near, highly dangerous Cumulonimbus cloud formations... Shocked

...!
Any form of cloud should always be treated with GREAT respect, and general aviation pilots of powered aircraft should really spend time on the ground until the cloud dissipates...
...so...
I would like to be able to experience the effects of various cloud formations, and be aware of their dangers... Shocked

...!
It is often dangerous to approach within 5 miles of a building cloud formation!!
The interior of a towering Cumulus cloud can tear your aircraft apart...!!
Most clouds should be generally avoided...!

I would strongly advise any Sim Pilot to study Meteorology*...a truly fascinating subject...and as a motorcyclist I have a vested interest in it... Wink

... 8)...!

Cheers all...!

Paul...Cessna 152...!

* one of the most important parts of training for a Pilots licence... Wink

...!

P.S. For anyone wanting to experience realistic flight dynamics in gliders and powered aircraft, give this excellent little program a try, (I have purchased it!)...>>>

http://www.hangsim.com/mf/

Exactly Paul.

I remember on one of my first twenty glider flights I was with my instructor and we were literally "kissing" the bottom of a nasty grey cumulus formation, and he urged me to descent straight away.

The thermals underneath it were so good though... there werent any more flights for the rest of the day because the weather just got worse... Grin

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Reply #11 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 12:33pm

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Exactly Paul.

I remember on one of my first twenty glider flights I was with my instructor and we were literally "kissing" the bottom of a nasty grey cumulus formation, and he urged me to descent straight away.

The thermals underneath it were so good though... there werent any more flights for the rest of the day because the weather just got worse... Grin

Did exactly the same thing, but actually got up into the bowl of the underside of the cloud. The lift was very, very strong. By the time I cleared out, I ended up passing throught he edge of said cloud. I was in a K8 at the time. Learnt several things that day.
1 How much the wings of a K8 can flex.
2 How scared shitless I could make myself
3 Just how long it takes to get down from 8000 feet when you really want to be on terra firma for a private cry.
4 How strong your ring muscle is when squeezing to keep all in its rightful place.

Fortunatly, my CFI was not flying that day, or the above would have been the least of my problem. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that we have to stay 300 feet below he base of a cloud. Now I just run away bravely.

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Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 12:36pm

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My instructor told us to stay atleast 20 miles from a thunderstorm

A very wise instructor, Andrew... Wink

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Reply #13 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 12:38pm

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Hey Matt,

I had the same, I got pushed into the bottom of it and because of the cloud I could hardly see anything.
I was in a ASK-21, but it was still pretty scary.

But I had my instructor with me, you were solo back then. In a way its comforting but...
The worst thing is to have your CFI tell you off..
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Reply #14 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 1:11pm

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A very useful bit of info for Weather Enthusiasts...>>>

Courtesy of: The Microlight Pilot's Handbook. 2nd. Edition.
Brian Cosgrove.
ISBN 1 85310 096 X

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Reply #15 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 1:30pm

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The worst thing is to have your CFI tell you off..
Grin

I would have been driving the winch for a long time, not to mention the new one he would have drilled in me. I was a newb back then, I am older wiser and very respectful of those big white soft fuzzy things. Fozzer is quite correct, minimum distance....20 miles Wink

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Reply #16 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 2:04pm

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As well as the dangers of clouds, another useful thing to remember is the danger of "wake turbulence" from other aircraft...
Take off: From the same spot as preceding aeroplane allow 2 minutes.
From any intermediate part of the runway between the preceding aeroplane's start point on that runway and its lift off allow 3 minutes.

Landing approach:
Heavy aircraft:
Weight: >160,000 kg.
Time:4 minutes.
Separation: 8 nautical miles.
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Medium aircraft:
Weight: >40,000 kg.
Time: 3 minutes.
Separation: 6 nautical miles.
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Small Aircraft:
Weight: >17,000 kg.
Time: 2 minutes.
Separation: 4 nautical miles.

It's amazing how often we forget/ignore these life-saving rules when we fly in Multiplayer... Wink

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One important tip for light aircraft pilots to remember...
keep well away from HELICOPTERS at all times...!!!
LOL... Grin

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Reply #17 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 2:10pm

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keep well away from HELICOPTERS at all times...!!!

If they stayed on the ground, would not be a problem. Helicopters only fly because they don't know that they should not. They should just naturally screw themselves into the ground, though I did once here that they are so dam ugly, the earth repels them.

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As well as the dangers of clouds, another useful thing to remember is the danger of "wake turbulence" from other aircraft...

Wow Fozzer, you hit another nail on the head!
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Reply #19 - Jan 9^th, 2006 at 2:15pm

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If they stayed on the ground, would not be a problem. Helicopters only fly because they don't know that they should not. They should just naturally screw themselves into the ground, though I did once here that they are so dam ugly, the earth repels them.

Matt

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