ON the FSinsider website, there is more info and some more screenshots.  The screenshots are AMAZING!  Different from what weve seen, these screenshots alone seem to make the game worth buying!

LOOKY LOOKY!

Hummmmmmmm...........

Maybe I was expecting a LOT out of a new version...............  but to me those official shots don't look all that different from what I already see in fs2004 with the addition of some payware landclass, textures, and roads and such.

Will this new version be a step up or a leap up?

The one shot there that is intriguing visually is the one with the seaplane... with the seeming water reflections of the plane.  But the background images like the ship don't seem to reflect...... just the plane.

If the flock of brids in the background are each flying independently....... that would be pretty interesting.   

Guess we'll see in about a year............


best,

....john

PS:  Wonder how many posts will be in this forum BEFORE the program is released?   

I have to aggree with JBaymore. The only thing that really caught my eye was the birds, just adds a nice bit of atmosphere. As for the rest, i've seen as good, if not better, in our own screenshot section.

thats... thats... thats AIRmazing!!!

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You know, most of us prefer to keep the old engine. Especially us addon developers because we are familiar and confortable with it. If M$ ever did change it, then it would probably be about a year before a half-decent addon for FSX ever came out. Besides, most of us cherish the idea of backwards compatibility so that we don't have to wait for addons.

In conclusion, that old-style and traditional game engine is here to stay [M$ learned that lesson with CFS3].

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I'm very impressed with the level of detail found in the autogen+airports and aircraft, what more can you ask for. I just wanted to see a large improvement in Air Dynamcis, scenery, Multiplayer, etc, and in FSX that's what I'm seeing. I just hope my Stock nividia 5500FX will run it without any probs.

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The roads I have with a payware add on already look like that.  Better actually.

As to a fully "tricked out" version of fs9 compared to a fully "tricked out" version of fsx....... well... of course.... but I am hoping that I won't have to yet again spend all sorts of money above the cost of the new sim to get the most out if it.   

Probably wishful thinking.   

Microsoft is still in developemnt... so if everyone just simply "ohhs and ahhs" over the early release info........ there will be no incentive to address the stuff that matters while there is still time to address in the year they have.

best,

..............john

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To me, that doesn't matter because I almost never use the defaults anyways. Today's addons have better dynamics than their default counterparts, so I use those a lot.

MS will eventually get there with the flight simulator

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Just look at Halflife and Halflife 2.
Those are two different engines, but add-on developers quickly learned the new engine and managed to produce even better mods to the game.

Same scenario will apply to FS

From what Ive seen, it looks like they are working on flight models.  At CES, the speaker took the bell 206.  He took off, turned (like a helicopter SHOULD), then flew off just like a real heli.  All this on an Xbox controller.

And yes, it was a live display.

Remember, we still have 1 year, so I imagine that there will be ALOT  of improvements by the time it arrives

Well I'm not that impressed by the eye candy, it's nice but shouldn't be the main focus of the update. They missed the one bit of eye-candy I would have cared about and that is self-shadowing, proper mixing of shadows, soft shadowing and just the shadows in general need alot of work as this is a huge part of making something look real. This is why models in G-max or other modelling programs can often look miles better than they do in the sim.

Plus no mention of better flight dynamics, at the moment flightsim cannot model what happens when an aircraft essentially stops "flying" and falls on momentum and the physical properties of the airframe, like when a sukhoi does it's backflip or any of it's airshow tricks (something that required great lateral thinking to get over when making the AS sukhoi.) This in turn means it cannot model VTOL (this is also because vectored thrust is also not modelled. Plus the previous improvements to turbulence and rudder and ground handling are needed as mentioned by Nexus.

Plus I for one would like to see the ability to use runways that are not totally flat as the majority of runways on small fields are not, this would mean that the ground physic of the airplane would have to be updated as well.

On the good side the birds and dolphins make a nice change but I would like to bird strike and I doubt it will happen but it would be good to have an IL-2 like damage engine.

Come on MS pull your socks up you have alot to catch up to other sims. Use those resources you have.

it can be my eyes, but is that water 3d?

Uhh... how many times do some of us have to say that M$ will never tell us everything we want to hear until the very last moment [most likely after the release]? To borrow from somebody's statement: People who truely know cannot tell [obviously they signed a non-disclosure agreement] while those who say what they think they know may not be true at all.

So, just because M$ didn't say anything about the dynamics doesn't mean that the dynamics will be crap.

And for crying out loud, if you think that FSX will be crap, then don't buy it and stop whining. Do you have any idea how much effort the M$ developers have put into creating this sim? I don't know either, but I can bet my butt that the effort was massive.

Just wait. several years from now, we will be going through this same dumb arguement for FSXI, FSXII, etc. It seems to me that this is a never-ending cycle. And yet, people still buy it after complaining. Sheesh!

Stop being so sensitive.
I have every right to my opinion without you bursting out like a lawyer, thank you.

And I never said that FSX will be crap. If you can quote me saying that, be my guest.

But you really dont get it, do you?
What has been MS FS drawback for ages, has not been addressed. Instead we get feed screenshots of birds, boats and some other irrelevant mumbo-jumbo.
And if FS X had a new groundbreaking engine, wouldn't you think that MS would really talk about that? I would.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather see realistic ground effect than a flock of seagulls.

But I will buy FS X instead, simply because off the addons, that makes up for the drawbacks of the sim.

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Well that's a feature that i like 

I understand your argument and you have total right to express your opinion. What the others are trying to say is dont put it down till you have used it. Maby phisics will be same as fs9 but oh well. We will love the new stuff added in and the developers will leran about a new engine if they have to. The default looks so good (to me) i am willing to wait a year for a quality add-on.

Now for you "the default looks like my fs9 now!" imagine now  you have spent money on fs9 payware to make it look like this right? I am quoting from someone on avsim or here i dont rember, "If $100 worth of addons for fs9 looks like FSx, imagine FSx with $100 worth of addons." so till the sim comes out, please just shhhh. and dont complane just yet, we have a year till it comes out.

There are many open issues on FSx and it will have to wait a year. Like "all there showing is eye candy!" well duh thats how you get something sold at first. Its not easy to show flight dynamics in a picture or in words. There has only been 1 video that i know of out and the chopper in it  looked like it had better dynamics to me so we will just have to wait for more reviews or untill it comes out.

So hold your arguments for awhile untill it comes out. Like the US government, a body in argument ceases to work corectly, so lets keep things friendly around here and stop your bickering!

I feel like a right tit now

ah well I knew I would regret posting it.

HHmmm you may be onto something there