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Jan 5th, 2006 at 10:20am

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There is one very specific thing captains of Royal Navy and Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft carriers have in common.  And in this one specific thing, US Navy carrier captains don't have in common with the others mentioned.  What is this?

Here's a big hint:

It has to do with qualification.
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 11:13am

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I'm guessing that RN and IJN carriers carried an officer of flag rank while the USN just needed a Captain.
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 11:19am

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I believe that RN aircraft carrier captains needed no previous experience of flying or even serving aboard a carrier. I don't know if this applies to the others.
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 12:21pm

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Hagar is correct.

The RN didn't require an officer to have his "wings" in order to skipper a carrier.  And the IJN, having been mentored by the RN, did the same.  In 1922, a law was passed in the US requiring carrier skippers to have his "wings" because of some instances of "blackshoe" carrier skippers making ill-informed command decisions causing the death of aviators.

Another point of info:

The IJN Kongo class BB was actually designed by a British naval architect.  In fact, the Kongo was built by a British company.

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Hagar is correct.

The RN didn't require an officer to have his "wings" in order to skipper a carrier.  And the IJN, having been mentored by the RN, did the same.  

Wonders never cease. Not often I beat Woody on nautical matters. Wink

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In 1922, a law was passed in the US requiring carrier skippers to have his "wings" because of some instances of "blackshoe" carrier skippers making ill-informed command decisions causing the death of aviators.

Sounds like a good idea. I've read of several instances where the captain of a RN carrier, usually a career officer who would much rather have been commanding a battleship, completely ignored the advice of the Commander (Flying) & the squadron commanders who were usually RNVR (Wavy Navy) officers.
 
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Wonders never cease. Not often I beat Woody on nautical matters. Wink


I like to give others a chance occasionally. Grin
 
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Hagar is correct.

The RN didn't require an officer to have his "wings" in order to skipper a carrier.  And the IJN, having been mentored by the RN, did the same.  

Another point of info:

The IJN Kongo class BB was actually designed by a British naval architect.  In fact, the Kongo was built by a British company.


And what better navy to be mentored by bearing in mind it's only opponent in a century refused to come out for round two. Grin
 
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And what better navy to be mentored by bearing in mind it's only opponent in a century refused to come out for round two. Grin


Did the IJN leave them any decent capital ships after 1905?

 
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I believe that RN aircraft carrier captains needed no previous experience of flying or even serving aboard a carrier. I don't know if this applies to the others.



Technically, until 1938 ('39?) wasn't RN aviation under the "command" and purse strings of the RAF?

We can't have flyboys commanding capital ships of the senior service, can we?
 
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Did the IJN leave them any decent capital ships after 1905?


After 1905 there was only one decent Capital ship. That is of course intill HMS Dreadnought was developed into a class. Smiley
 
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Speaking of RN, USN, and IJN, here's an example of "egregious treaty violation":

IJN Mikuma, more than 3,000 tons over treaty tonnage.

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Reply #11 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 6:45pm

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And here's an example of obscene treaty adherence.

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I know which I'd go for. A good looking ship or keeping the yanks happy. No contest. Tongue
 
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Reply #12 - Jan 6th, 2006 at 9:48am

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I know which I'd go for. A good looking ship or keeping the yanks happy. No contest. Tongue


The 5-5-3 ratio was designed to keep the Brits happy too, with their "Impregnable Bastion" of Singapore to look out for!   Wink

Just as impregnable as our bastion on Corregidor Island.   Wink
 
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Reply #13 - Jan 6th, 2006 at 10:58am

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The 5-5-3 ratio was designed to keep the Brits happy too, with their "Impregnable Bastion" of Singapore to look out for!   Wink

Just as impregnable as our bastion on Corregidor Island.   Wink

The treaty was basically to stop any more arms races such as happened between Britain and Germany in the years leading up to WWI. I've heard it said that while it failed to stop World War Two it did stop the 1920's Anglo American war before tempers got hot on either side.
 
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The 5-5-3 treaty only served to offend and infuriate the Japanese, which in itself aided in the escalation toward war in the Pacific.
 
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