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Passenger jet pilots: Coping with stress.... (Read 741 times)
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I think its called spending lots of hours in the simulator practicing emergencies!
Quite. Like any other job, if you're properly trained emergencies become routine. You don't spend every waking moment worrying about it as you have the ability & confidence that you will be able to cope with most situations should they occur as a matter of routine. Anything out of the ordinary will involve snap decisions based on your own judgement & experience. It takes a certain type of person to do it but I don't consider a commercial pilot's job any more stressful than many other less well-paid jobs where people regularly work under continual stress for long periods. If they're competent & enjoy the responsibility their work should be a great deal less stressful. It depends on your interpretation of stress.
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But still, four (captain, first officer, F/E and a navigator) well trained persons in the cockpit, managed to make a rookie mistake when it comes to calculate fuelburn. Were they trained enough?
And I'm not quite sure they even had the time to read the emergency checklists since those engines died so rapidly...the chain of events happened too fast.
You have a different mindset when going into the simulator, it's just the way it is. Sure you have the mechanical skill to deal with emergency landings after simulator sessions, but question is do you have the cerebral fitness to be able to do it when shit happens in real life, like the avianca incident.
Food for thoughts...
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But still, four (captain, first officer, F/E and a navigator) well trained persons in the cockpit, managed to make a rookie mistake when it comes to calculate fuelburn. Were they trained enough?
From briefly reading the report the captain in this incident might not have been as competent as he should have been. I can't really comment as I don't even know which airline was involved but I would expect the captain of any major airline to be fluent in English & competent to do the job they're paid for. The other crew members can make suggestions based on their own area of expertise but in the end it's the captain's responsibilty & he/she makes the decisions.
PS. This is no different to any other organisation & senior managers in all professions make decisions like this many times a day, every day. That's what I call stress.
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But still, four (captain, first officer, F/E and a navigator) well trained persons in the cockpit, managed to make a rookie mistake when it comes to calculate fuelburn. Were they trained enough?
Which begs the question were they up to the job?
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And I'm not quite sure they even had the time to read the emergency checklists since those engines died so rapidly...the chain of events happened too fast.
Which brings us back to the original point that they shouldn't have been in the situation where they "suddenly find" they have no fuel left. I don't know how civvy airlines do "routine" checks, but certainly you would expect a fuel check fairly regularly, and before descent a check that there is enough fuel to complete a relevant procedure and another...
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You have a different mindset when going into the simulator, it's just the way it is. Sure you have the mechanical skill to deal with emergency landings after simulator sessions, but question is do you have the cerebral fitness to be able to do it when shit happens in real life, like the avianca incident.
An interesting one. Whenever I go to the simulator I treat it as if I was flying the aeroplane for real. I will wear all the correct kit (gloves, helmet etc) and will strap myself in exactly as if I was in the aircraft (giving me less chance of having a cognetive failure and forgetting to do something correctly when strapping in for real). The whole point of the simulator sessions we have is to develop the cerebral fitness to cope with (multiple) emergencies, doing the vital drills from memory, then backing them up if time permits using the flight reference cards (whilst navigating, flying the aeroplane etc)...
To be fair though, as we've said before, running out of fuel on an approach is a fairly terminal emergency...
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Which begs the question were they up to the job?
If the reports are correct, No. It's very easy to blame the pilot, especially if he died in the accident but on this occasion I think this was correct. I can't speak for the competence of the other flight crew members but this was the captain's responsibilty & he takes the blame. If you can't accept that you're not suitable for the job. This applies to any senior manager.
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Charlie, talking with you only confirms that the Brits are very decent chaps
(sorry that we have to knock you out of FIFA 2006) 8)
Sweden
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Charlie, talking with you only confirms that the Brits are very decent chaps
(sorry that we have to knock you out of FIFA 2006) 8)
Sweden
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You read it here first
Too true. We haven't beaten Sweden since 1732 or something like that! In fact have we ever beaten Sweden? Paraguay may be a dark horse too...
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