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Reply #15 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 10:13am

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In that case what would you do? Risk an emergency forced landing with no power or a possibly hazardous landing in severe weather conditions at a fully equipped airport while the aircraft was still functioning perfectly? The decision is yours & you have to make it now.


If in doubt, divert, and make the decision earlier rather than later...

To put it in perspective, we use diversion fuels, which mean if you divert from base (for example in the circuit), you can divert to to a nominated diversion (as weather permits/dictates - on a good day that may be 10 minutes away, on a bad day it could be in the far north of Scotland), and still land there with you minimum allowable fuel load. If you havent landed and you go below the diversion fuel, you divert. Then if the aircraft in front of you has a mishap on landing (for example), you are not "screwed" yourself.
 
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Reply #16 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 11:14am

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The main reason for the miscommunication involved was that the pilot only spoke Spanish-he wasn't very good at English, and the F/O handled all communications.  The pilot relayed what he wanted to say in Spanish to the F/O, who then would contact ATC.

The pilot wanted to declare a fuel emergency, but the F/O kept requesting "priority, fuel low" which does not mean the same thing.

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If in doubt, divert, and make the decision earlier rather than later...

This is, of course, the ideal situation.  But if we think in terms of aeronautical decision making under their conditions, it's not really applicable here, as it wasn't an option for them.  They were already knee deep in it.  Had to go with what they had, and a poorly executed ILS approach resulting in a go-around took up the rest of the fuel.
 
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Reply #17 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 11:22am

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This is, of course, the ideal situation.  But if we think in terms of aeronautical decision making under their conditions, it's not really applicable here, as it wasn't an option for them.  They were already knee deep in it.  Had to go with what they had, and a poorly executed ILS approach resulting in a go-around took up the rest of the fuel.


That applies to all situations. They were knee deep in it, but it sound like they shouldn't have let themselves into that situation. If they thought that the weather would be marginal to the point that they could not guarantee landing safely off the next approach, and did not have enough fuel to complete the procedure again, then they should have diverted well before. Sounds like very poor basic airmanship... Undecided
 
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Reply #18 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 4:57pm

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Right Charlie, of course.  I meant that if we were speculating on what we would do in their situation at that exact time, you couldn't really consider what they should've done, only the options you had.  Naturally, as you say, they shouldnt've been there in the first place but saying that doesn't help much when you're already there Wink
 
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Reply #19 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 5:18pm

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Right Charlie, of course.  I meant that if we were speculating on what we would do in their situation at that exact time, you couldn't really consider what they should've done, only the options you had.  Naturally, as you say, they shouldnt've been there in the first place but saying that doesn't help much when you're already there Wink


Nope, you'd be quite right there...  Wink Grin
 
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Reply #20 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 5:32pm

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Their alternate airport was even further more north than JFK.
also, the 707's autopilot was INOP so the pilot handflew the aircraft the whole route...this is of course  tiresome in the long stretch.

Saw the documentary a month ago and couldn't really believe the inept decision making of the captain.

And beefhole, paintball and human lives are in the same league  Grin Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #21 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 10:34am

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paintball and human lives are in the same league



Angry  You obviously don't take your paintball very seriously Nexus.


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Reply #22 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 10:50am

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Back to Fozzer's original question. How do airline pilots cope with the stress & responsibility of their job? This would depend on what you call stress. My job could be very stressful at times with a great deal of responsibilty attached to it. If I'd made a mistake it's possible that innocent people could have died due to my incompetence. While constantly aware if this, if I'd really thought about it I would never have been able to sleep at night but in fact I enjoyed the challenge. On the other hand there are some less responsible jobs that I just couldn't do because of the continual stress involved - dealing with customers on the telephone in the sales office for example. I've done this on a temporary basis but one week sat at that desk would have driven me right round the bend.

Some people thrive on stress & it gives them a buzz. I don't consider a commercial pilot's job as being particularly stressful but that's just my opinion. Different people are suited to different types of work which is just as well if you think about it. Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 12:54pm

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And beefhole, paintball and human lives are in the same league  Grin Roll Eyes

In terms of making decisions under high stress/combat situations, yes, it is.

Since I'm a low time pilot I wouldn't be as qualified to answer your question Doug, but it would appear to me as though after a lot of time behind the wheel it isn't stressful anymore.  They're not making life/death decisions every flight, not even every month, sometimes not even every year. (and yet I only have 40 hours and have already nearly died three times Tongue)

They're basically doing the same things again and again and again.  In that sense, the job is not that stressful.  For the most part, every flight is just another day at the office.
 
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Reply #24 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 5:36pm

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If those words came from a Marine or any man who has served with the army and faced the drama of life and death...I would've believed them.

But you're just playing a game, which is lightyears away from what the crew had to deal with.

It's like those counter-strike fanatics who thinks they'd be a perfect fit as a SWAT member.
 
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Reply #25 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 5:42pm

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Angry  You obviously don't take your paintball very seriously Nexus.


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Paintball, or any sports is a way for me to relax.  Wink
I deal with stress all the time, but that doesn't mean I like it.
 
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Reply #26 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 5:50pm

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But flying day in and day out in commops isn't anything like the "drama of life and death."  If you do anything enough, it becomes just, I dunno, "regular."  Flying a 767 isn't really equatable to fighting a war on the front lines.

Actually come to think of it I'm not 100% sure what you were refering to, could you clarify?  If you were refering to paintball, I didn't say paintball was like war-I said decison making is decision making is decision making.
 
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Reply #27 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 6:02pm

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But flying day in and day out in commops isn't anything like the "drama of life and death."  If you do anything enough, it becomes just, I dunno, "regular."  Flying a 767 isn't really equatable to fighting a war on the front lines.

Actually come to think of it I'm not 100% sure what you were refering to, could you clarify?  If you were refering to paintball, I didn't say paintball was like war-I said decison making is decision making is decision making.


There were very little regularity during that flight, the fact that they ran out of fuel is one big game breaker right there infront of your nose.

You like to shoot people with paintballs, but would you like to be the difference between life and death?

No one does.

 
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Reply #28 - Dec 10th, 2005 at 6:37pm

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I think we're proving different points here Grin
 
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Reply #29 - Dec 11th, 2005 at 8:04am

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How do airline pilots cope with the stress & responsibility of their job?


I think its called spending lots of hours in the simulator practicing emergencies!
 
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