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National Service 1949 - 1960 (Read 424 times)
Dec 5
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, 2005 at 5:12pm
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While thinking about Heretic's dilemma in the Cafe I found an interesting site on the subject of National Service.
http://www.national-army-museum.ac.uk/pages/nat-service.html
I escaped it by a few months (one of those events that changed my whole life) but I was quite prepared to go & would probably have enjoyed it. Of course, I was a callow youth at the time & wasn't fully aware of the potential risk of having to go & fight in some awful part of the world that I'd never heard of. I don't know how many British members of this forum apart from Fozzer were called up for National Service following the end of WWII. This might bring back some (possibly unwelcome) memories.
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Money, Pay and the cost of living
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Basic pay for a private soldier was 28 shillings (£1.40) a week net in 1948. This compared poorly with the average weekly wage in 1951, which was 8 pounds 8 shillings and 6 pence. Those on a Short Service Commission would get extra pay, and were entitled to married quarters. A notice at the Quartermaster's Stores reminded them that their kit was twenty pounds worth of government property, and that if they lost any of it, they would not only have to pay the cost of that item, but also pay for the item to be replaced.
There were other, 'unofficial', expenses. Some recruits found that they had to pay NCOs a shilling for their first 'free' haircut. Other 'scams' included selling on Navy, Army and Air Force Institute (NAAFI) cleaning supplies at inflated prices.
The cost of living would vary depending on where a conscript was posted. At camps in Britain, Servicemen might send some money home. They would also have to pay income tax of about 2 shillings. There may also be occasional fines for damages to barracks (whether there had been any damage or not). The Army also expected men to join the Post Office Savings Bank. This might leave a man with eight to fourteen shillings a week to spend on razor blades, shaving soap, Brasso, boot polish, hair cuts, cigarettes, dusters or blanco. Visits to the cinema or for a decent meal at the NAAFI would be few and far between. In Hong Kong, however, all ranks appreciated the glut of luxury goods on sale at low prices and the availability of exotic fruit that was still not freely available in Britain. In Germany, servicemen were issued with British Armed Forces currency ('Baffs').
Pay for conscripts rose to 38 shillings in 1960. The average weekly wage for men in 1961, however, was £15 10 shillings, and by this time there were more products available to buy.
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Conscription
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During the post-1945 period of National Service some 1, 132, 872 men were conscripted to serve in the British Army. For some it was a shock to the system, the first time they had left their homes and families. For others with experience as Army Cadets, it was a relatively familiar life. It was a time of great camaraderie, bonds were formed quickly amongst men from disparate backgrounds thrown together in a strange situation, made stronger by the discipline imposed on them beginning with their basic training. Some of these friendships formed during National Service would last a lifetime.
For many men it was a time to learn new skills, forge a new career, to distance themselves from the morality of their parents, or an opportunity to travel at a time in which it may otherwise have been prohibitively expensive. However, there was the feeling, often justified, that the Army did not exploit skills and experience gained as a civilian.
The experience many men had of being thrown into combat situations such as Korea, Malaya, Suez and Aden would never be forgotten. Men with minimal training were expected to fight guerrillas or cope with riots or civil war situations.
During this period a total of 395 National Servicemen were killed in active service.
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Dec 5
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, 2005 at 5:25pm
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During this period a total of 395 National Servicemen were killed in active service.
Maybe this could be used in an argument to bring back National Service. Those who take little or no interest (normally the latter) in our countries undermanned, underequipped armed forces, and in our countries affairs may well be forced to take a different view when a member of their family (through no direct choice of their own) may end up directly involved...
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Dec 5
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Maybe this could be used in an argument to bring back National Service.
I have mixed feeling on the subject. I once thought it would do the majority of young boys the world of good to have a bit of military training & discipline. The latter, along with respect, is something that seems severely lacking or non-existent in far too many young people today. However, I don't think the services themselves are in favour of it. They would obviously prefer to have volunteers than conscripts. Most countries in Europe no longer have compulsory conscription & those like Germany that still have it have been talking about doing away with it for years. This brings its own complications to the alternative option of compulsory community service & will not be as easy as it was in Britain.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1087140,00.html
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During this period a total of 395 National Servicemen were killed in active service.
I think this could be used more effectively as an argument against it. Things have changed a great deal since 1960 & I have the feeling that young people would feel quite differently about serving their country now, never mind dying for it. You would also have to consider the immigrants, not all of whom have any allegiance to Britain whatsoever. This issue existed even back in 1949 & could cause a lot of resentment now.
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When National Service began the Labour Administration insisted that it should be universal for all able-bodied men. However, although there was no official ban, very few Black conscripts and no non-European officers were recruited despite high levels of immigration in the mid-1950s. To avoid possible civil unrest Northern Ireland was also excluded from conscription.
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Dec 5
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I have mixed feeling on the subject. I once thought it would do the majority of young boys the world of good to have a bit of military training & discipline. The latter, along with respect, is something that seems severely lacking or non-existent in far too many young people today. However, I don't think the services themselves are in favour of it. They would obviously prefer to have volunteers than conscripts.
Indeed. Although there would always be those with a sense of duty or pride (even if they didn't particularly want to be there) I would find it very difficult to tolerate serving alongside, or worse, in command of someone who didn't want to be there, and worse, because of this, couldn't really give a monkeys about his service or comrades.
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Dec 5
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This reminds me of a conversation I had with a chap at Popham earlier this year. He told me that he had been a crew member on the B-29 Washington during his National Service. I was surprised that National Servicemen would qualify as aircrew so he must have been one of the luckier ones. I believe he joined the police when he was demobbed & made that his career. He said he thoroughly enjoyed it & retired as a senior officer in the police.
This brings up another good point. The police recruited a lot of ex-servicemen in those days. This source dried up when National Service was abolished which could explain the problems in that area now.
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Dec 5
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This brings up another good point. The police recruited a lot of ex-servicemen in those days. This source dried up when National Service was abolished which could explain the problems in that area now.
Which also explains the lack of empathy between the Police and the forces nowadays. Having said that, if you are very lucky you find one or too.
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Which also explains the lack of empathy between the Police and the forces nowadays.
I was not aware of that but it doesn't surprise me. A 20 year-old ex-National Serviceman would have been an ideal recruit for the police force as he would already have a sense of responsiblity & discipline & therefore wouldn't need so much training. The same goes for the Fire Brigade & similar organisations. As I mentioned earlier, things have changed a great deal since 1960. I hadn't thought much about it before but possibly abolishing National Service was responsible for a lot more than you might expect.
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, 2005 at 1:55am
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I personally think conscription is a wonderful thing. While I haven't experienced it, my debating coach did and my grandfather did and they both said it was alright. Plus, nothing shows you reality better than a fat drill sergeant shouting at you and a Commie running at you with an AK.
It angers me that people shirked their duty (I'm in no way referring to you, Doug) however I can see why they chose to avoid it.
A.
P.S These views might have something to do with me being a bit of a British Imperialist and being the tenacious kid that I am.
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I was finally dragged kicking and screaming into the British Army for two years in 1955, after being allowed to complete my 6-year Electrical Engineer's Apprenticeship beforehand.
For me it was two years wasted, from my Civilian trade.
While in the Army I came across two types of people; those like me who did our best and just put up with it for two years and then got demobbed, and the others, the gung-ho hero's, who didn't have a job in Civvy Street and just wanted to join the Regular Army to be able to blast the crap out of anything that moved!
Our Drill Sergeant often told us conscripts that out of the two types, the Army preferred us rather than many of the waste-of-time Regular Soldiers, who were mostly just idle sods...!
Anyway....
Not being slightly interest in a Military life I was only too glad to get out when demob time came around....
It's just a very distant memory now...
...thankfully...
...!
Paul.... Craftsman Fosbery. 23146921*. REME. . 1955-1957.
* That number, like your National Insurance number, is injected into your brain at birth...trust me...
...!
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