Ok Heretic, I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

On 'why collect payware at all' I think the answer is clear... why do anything? If I had the money for it I would do it, just as I now 'collect' and cram my hard drive with freeware stuff. If I had the money I would go on exotic holidays too... I can't - oh well. I wouldn't buy a payware VC-10 because Maltby's is good enough for me, but I might buy something which I was really keen on, and didn't have a great quality freeware add-on. Or even if there was one. People can do what they like with their money, and if some people are making a living developing addons for FS thats wonderful for them. I have to do something less fun, but that's my fault and my choice. I don't bear grudges towards them for being lucky enough to have a great job.

Otherwise, I'm bowing out of this debate...
I've made all the points I think I can make on the topic, sorry all to take up so much space, but it is one I feel quite strongly about even though it doesn't directly affect me. I can understand that others see things differently, and the need for rules in a forum in order to maintain the high standards it has.

I guess 'the mods' will make their decision based on the opinions of all interested parties, so I hope some other people will add their voices to this debate...I'm going to give it a rest now...promise...nothing else to say anyway...

...it's an interesting topic, curious as to the result

See you around!!!

Krigl

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Wow Souichiro, neat and straight to the point... wish I could do that lol

Krigl

I have an idea!!!

Why don't we drop the whole subject and just let it lie.

If somebody posts a shot or two using w+F, so be it.

Most people who are using it are posting in the Payware Forum anyway.
I don't even think there is a person in the Freeware Forum that has W+F and posts continuously.

So I guess I will "Un-stick" this and whatever happens, happens.

Besides, chasing people around from forum to forum to check and see if they are using W+F where they shouldn't is a total waste of time,

from my point of view 

Thanks for all your input.

So it is safe to say that if somebody uses W+F in here, that they will be frowned upon and we will let the members put them in their place! 

Have fun!

Dave

I say ditch the Payware screenshot forum and combine them again. That'll get rid of all arguments about whats allowed and whats not. Plus those who live in the payware forum won't miss out on whats in the freeware forum and vice versa. I mean honestly, is it really that had to answer the "Is it freeware or payware?" question?

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When it comes down to it they are basically the same question. So why endure one and not the other?

My opinion...seperating the two only serves to divide the community...

And you may have a user (like me) who uses primarily freeware, but has a payware installed here and there.

I also don't care for members who stand on their plastic platforms and scorn those who like to buy payware...I mean really!  It all comes down to what you like...in the end, it's all good!

Screenshots are also up to the skill of the photographer...freeware can look just as good as payware, in the right hands, (just as a payware shot can look like crap).  Hence, I see little point in keeping payware out of contests.

I really think we should just have it all on one forum, just my opinion though...

I tend to agree with Jordan and Woodlouse ....... when it actually comes down to it we all PAY for our copy of FS. So to follow Heretic's argument to it's most extreme, what are we doing posting any shots of any flightsim apart from open source free ones in the freeware forum?

Whilst I appreciate and applaude Pete's mission statement to concentrate the efforts of this site on supporting, showcasing and providing freeware developers with a forum to show their wares, the payware developers deserve just as much recoginiton.  I don't really see the reason for not just having one screenshot forum.  It still gives the user the choice of what to view and to compare and contrast the attributes of both types of addon. I don't see how this could be detrimental to the freeware developers in fact it would be an insentive to improve their wares.

This site has by far and away the best screenshot forums, considering that the guidelines for posting are more stringent than most other sites. Almost everyone who posts their shots here on Simv can blow the socks of those who post on other forums. Wether you use freeware or payware addons should be irrelevent as we all strive to be better at what we do within this hobby.

I chose to throw money into my hobby to improve my FS experience and I've been lucky enough to be able to do so. I should not be sneered at by those who don't have the same opportunity, I would not look down on those who cannot afford to follow my example.

Let's all just enjoy this hobby and strive to continue to be the best site on the web for those who happen upon it.