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Nov 12th, 2005 at 3:54pm

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Today I'm building a custom gamer for an associate.

In return, he's buying me an Athlon 64 XP3700+ CPU which is based on the San Diego cpu core. He's also agreed to buy me 1gb of PC4000 Kingmax Hardcore RAM and I must hand over my current 1gb of PC3500 to him, with a cash adjustment.

My current CPU is a not-so-old-at-all XP3500+ Venice core. Both the old and new CPU's have a default clock speed of 2.2ghz.

The 3500+ has limited overclock potential on air cooling with temps rising sharply beyond 2.4ghz.

I've read in the overclockers forums that the 3700+ is basically an FX CPU with a locked multiplier and that they are wunderbar for overclocking.

I hope to overclock the new CPU up to the new PC4000's rated 250mhz Front Side Bus speed, which would give me a CPU speed of 2.75ghz, and though I doubt whether this would be stable on air cooling, I hope to be able to leave the CPU running at 2.6ghz, which equates to a FSB speed of about 236 mhz. At that speed, I should be able to have fairly tight timings on my new PC4000 ram.

I get back with the results in a couple days.

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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 1:26pm

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I installed the gear into my system.

I'm running the FSB at 260 with a 10x CPU multiplier giving me 2.6ghz and 520mhz DDR for my new RAM.

No voltages increases required for stability as yet at these speeds and there is no noticeable Temp increase in the CPU either.

Chipset seems quite warm though   Smiley
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 2:47am

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Here is another way I overclocked this new CPU.

I left the CPU Multiplier at it's stock 11x and set the FSB speed to 250mhz, my PC4000 ram's rated speed. I set the Hypertransport multiplier to 4x (4 x 250mhz = 1000 or 2000mhz DDR).

This screenshot shows (well, it's a bit tiny at 800x600 but...) my system running Prime 95's max heat and stress tests. At the same time you see my mainboard monitor's temperature page. The San Diego cored CPU is running steady at 52*C, chipset at 40*C and the ambient air temp is 28*C in my room.

Everest is running there as well showing my real time system specs.

     CPU Type               AMD Athlon 64
     CPU Alias               San Diego S939
     CPU Stepping        SH-E4
     CPU Name             AMD Athlon 64 3700+
     CPUID Revision     00020F71h

     CPU Speed:          2749.43 MHz
     CPU Multiplier       11.0x
     CPU FSB               249.95 MHz  (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 25%)
     Memory Bus         249.95 MHz

     L1 Code Cache    64 KB  (Parity)
     L1 Data Cache     64 KB  (ECC)
     L2 Cache             1 MB  (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

    Motherboard ID    Asus A8NSLI
    Motherboard Chipset      nVIDIA nForce4 SLI,
     Memory Timings         2.5-3-3-7  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
     Command Rate (CR)                                 2T

     Kingmax 512 MB PC4000 Hardcore DDR SDRAM  

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...Mainboard: Asus P5K-Premium, CPU=Intel E6850 @ x8x450fsb 3.6ghz, RAM: 4gb PC8500 Team Dark, Video: NV8800GT, HDD: 2x1Tb Samsung F3 RAID-0 + 1Tb F3, PSU: Antec 550 Basiq, OS: Win7x64, Display: 24" WS LCD
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Reply #3 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 3:10am

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This CPU costs $350 here in Australia. An AMD FX57 costs $1500 here, and they seem to be essentially the same CPU, even if a "little" effort is required to extract the best out of it.

I thought my 3500+ Venice CPU was fast, this 3700+ San Diego is noticeably faster in all aspects of my daily computing.

Anyone after a single core performance CPU need look no further than this beast.
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 10:47am

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Have you considered an Opteron AMD chip?

These are suppose to be absolutly highly overclockable, and extremely fast.
They cost Ł120 and they can reach the speeds of a Ł600 FX!!!!

Check out the Overclockers forums in "CPU" section to find out more, personally if your into clocking, GO ahead for it. Wink, but you got your system sorted now. Wink

James 8)
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 12:04pm

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They are expensive here and those models at OC'ers aren't available thru my contacts. I would have paid Ł148 for this one, but it was a gift   Cheesy

I was following your posts in OC'ers as well Jimbo.

I decided quickly on this CPU from the good things I read, particularly how it stays so cool. It has SSE3 instruction sets that the Opteron lacks as well.

I started having problems with my PC4000 ram getting out of range as I approached 2.9ghz on the overclock, so I backed it off. I don't want to run a bus divider.
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 1:02pm

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Glad to see you was following my newb posts Grin

Although when the new Dual core games come out, i still maybe tempted for the dual core solution. Grin 8)
 

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Reply #7 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 9:36pm

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Looking to sell the 3500+? I run water cooling, and I run into a limitation of "FSB" on my 3000+. I think a higher multiplier would help me loads. (current CPU temp: 86 F)
 

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Reply #8 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 11:01pm
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Here is another way I overclocked this new CPU.

I left the CPU Multiplier at it's stock 11x and set the FSB speed to 250mhz, my PC4000 ram's rated speed. I set the Hypertransport multiplier to 4x (4 x 250mhz = 1000 or 2000mhz DDR).

This screenshot shows (well, it's a bit tiny at 800x600 but...) my system running Prime 95's max heat and stress tests. At the same time you see my mainboard monitor's temperature page. The San Diego cored CPU is running steady at 52*C, chipset at 40*C and the ambient air temp is 28*C in my room.

Everest is running there as well showing my real time system specs.

     CPU Type               AMD Athlon 64
     CPU Alias               San Diego S939
     CPU Stepping        SH-E4
     CPU Name             AMD Athlon 64 3700+
     CPUID Revision     00020F71h

     CPU Speed:          2749.43 MHz
     CPU Multiplier       11.0x
     CPU FSB               249.95 MHz  (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 25%)
     Memory Bus         249.95 MHz

     L1 Code Cache    64 KB  (Parity)
     L1 Data Cache     64 KB  (ECC)
     L2 Cache             1 MB  (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

    Motherboard ID    Asus A8NSLI
    Motherboard Chipset      nVIDIA nForce4 SLI,
     Memory Timings         2.5-3-3-7  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
     Command Rate (CR)                                 2T

    Kingmax 512 MB PC4000 Hardcore DDR SDRAM  



The San Diego core is the way to go. Mine is O/C to almost FX57 performance. May I suggest you back off the FSB 5-10 or 20Mhz (230-240-245fsb)and enable the 1T Command Rate for the memory. This will provide a significant boost in performance... much, much greater than the 5-20fsb reduction.

Here are my memory benchmarks:

Asus A8V Deluxe:

...

Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd iSSE2 : 6401 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE2 : 6356 MB/s

Chipset 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc K8T880Pro CPU to PCI Bridge
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 436MHz (872MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 3488MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks

Chipset 2
Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 436MHz (872MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 3488MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 2 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-2-8 1CMD
Bank 1 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-2-8 1CMD
NOTE: The OCZ memory is rated for 2.0-3-2-5 2CMD


With my A8V Deluxe, best memory performance is obtained by reducing the memory system to 5:3 (DDR333) and increasing FSB to 240-245. This will run the memory @ around 203-205FSB (not important) and max out what is actually important, which is communication (transfer rate) on the CPU/Memory bus.

CPU:

...

Benchmark Results
Dhrystone ALU : 11827 MIPS
Whetstone iSSE3 : 5333 MFLOPS

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
Speed : 2.641GHz
Model Number : 3700 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR1800 (estimated)
Cores per Processor : 1 Unit(s)
L2 On-board Cache : 1MB ECC Synchronous, Write-Back, 16-way set, 64 byte line size


Dual Core is the way to go... when the software becomes dual-core aware however the San Diego core is the best single core AMD64 to have as it will exceed just about any other AMD64 in overclocking ability.

HT should remain as high as possible however in some cases (some motherboards) it must be reduced to 800 to peak the O/C. This is not an issue that would ever be seen in your real world game use, only in benchmark software numbers. The reduced HT can provide a higher stable O/C which will provide much higher performance. Mine is at 1000 right now. I do reduce it to 800 and easily nail 260FSB when I want to really push the system.


I idle at 28c and max out at 48c


« Last Edit: Nov 16th, 2005 at 1:36pm by N/A »  
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Reply #9 - Nov 16th, 2005 at 12:15am
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Here are the benchmarks for 250FSB @ 1000-HT:

Memory @ 211.6Mhz (5:3 DDR333)
CPU @ 2.751Ghz

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RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd iSSE2 : 6649 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE2 : 6617 MB/s

Chipset 1
Model : ASUSTeK Computer Inc K8T880Pro CPU to PCI Bridge
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 456MHz (912MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 3648MB/s (estimated)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks

Chipset 2
Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 456MHz (912MHz data rate)
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Maximum Bus Bandwidth : 3648MB/s (estimated)


CPU:

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Reply #10 - Nov 16th, 2005 at 12:37am
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I started having problems with my PC4000 ram getting out of range as I approached 2.9ghz on the overclock, so I backed it off. I don't want to run a bus divider.



Run a 5:3 divider (DDR333)... you are not reducing performance AT ALL if you raise the FSB so the CPU/memory bus (transfer rate) is maxed out. Also, lock the AGP/PCI frequency (if it is AGP) and set any AI overclocking to manual.

Sometimes it requires bumping up the DDR voltage a tad and slow the CAS from 2.0 to 2.5. Also, the T-RAS sometimes helps to raise it by 2 or 3 clks.

In any case, best performance is usually always reached by using the divider and increasing the FSB.

The A64 system is nothing like the Athlon of the past. A64 overclocking is all in FSB/memory bus communication. DDR400 is typically not the best performance setting even with PC4000 memory. The idea is to max out the FSB/Memory transfer rate and forget about the actual memory frequency. For your system it may be possible to nail 260-280 or higher using that method. Mine is a bit limited as it is one of the last AGP motherboards that will run all A64 dual cores and FX57 grade processors.


Also, with AMD64, Using the program SPEEDFAN and AMD COOL & QUIET, all my fans are practically silent at idle (24c-28c) (under 1000rpm)and barely heard under full load (48c, sometimes 50c if ambient is high). The only time my tower fans are at 100% is if all the following are reached:

the system goes above 28c,
the CPU is above 45c,
the video GPU is 70c...

otherwise the tower is practically silent... and I mean so quiet you can hear a sewing pin drop in the next room.

« Last Edit: Nov 16th, 2005 at 1:33pm by N/A »  
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Reply #11 - Nov 16th, 2005 at 1:54pm
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PS:

You need not worry about an A64 overheating.... at all

The A64 will automatically shut down if the temp exceeds 75-80c with absolutely no damage to the processor. AMD was very smart to include that E-shutdown system starting in their A64 line of processors. It works very well, so well in fact that when the clip broke on my CPU heatsink and the HSF fell to the bottom of the tower while I was using FS2004, the system simply haulted. I opened the tower with it still running to find the HSF had fallen off. I shut the tower down (it ran at least 2 minutes after the HSF had come off the processor) ... and replaced the clip with a spare I had.

The system booted up like nothing happened.

Temps are no longer an issue with the A64 processor.

 
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Reply #12 - Nov 16th, 2005 at 10:13pm

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Quote:
Looking to sell the 3500+? I run water cooling, and I run into a limitation of "FSB" on my 3000+. I think a higher multiplier would help me loads. (current CPU temp: 86 F)


I'm going to build another nForce4 PC for my daughter and use it in that, selling the P4 rig she has or use it as a server PC.
 

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Reply #13 - Nov 17th, 2005 at 1:51am

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Ah!  Good deal.

Well, enjoy your new found overclocker!  Grin
 

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Reply #14 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 4:07am

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I tried for days to get better results with all sorts of combinations.

I'm not able to get timings like I see in O/C forums everywhere.......... for a start, CAS 2 just fails completely at any FSB speed, and 1T command rate is never stable and impossible at higher speeds.

However, Everest returns me close to 7gb/sec bandwidth in the mem write test, which I'm impressed with.

I was able to go a little faster but things were either dodgy with the way it was configured, or I had to add a lot of voltage to get things stable, so, at the end of all this initial tweaking I ended up with these stable and cool settings:

CPU                            = Athlon 64 3700+ (San Diego)
Chipset                      = nForce4 SLI (Asus A8N SLI)
RAM                            = Kingmax Hardcore PC4000 2 x 512mb


FSB/HTT                      = 260mhz
HT multiplier                = 4x
HyperTransport Clock = 1040mhz

CPU multiplier             = 10x
CPU Clock                   = 2.6ghz

RAM timings                = 2.5-3-3-7
RAM Clock                   = 260mhz (520mhz DDR)

Vcore                           = 1.45v
Vram                            = 2.75v
 

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Reply #15 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 9:37pm

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1T?
 

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Reply #16 - Nov 19th, 2005 at 3:39am

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1T command rate is 10% faster than 2T command rate.  Some RAM can do 0T, but i don't know of any.

Command rate is the amount of clock cycles the chip select process needs before it can be executed.

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Reply #17 - Nov 19th, 2005 at 4:01am

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My bad, I was asking if his RAM timings were at 1T or not. lol  I guess I should have been more clear.


BTW, I've never heard of RAM at 0T before, let alone a motherboard that supports it.....

Oh yeah, I just eBayed a Venice 3800+, so we'll see what I can do with it when it arrives in the mail.  All I want is over 3000 MHz. After that, it is just bonus. Grin
 

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Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 9:44am

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I just spent an insane amount of time testing out what my new hardware is capable of for the sake of very small performance gains over my first ten minutes of tweaking. I'm talking about a wasted week here, not just a few hours.

Was it worth it? Well, yes because I learned a bit, and no because the performance increase I made was negligle over my original overclock. Also, the extra stress/heat on the system really can't be justified at the extreme end of the overclock.

However, I made substantial performance gains over my hardware's stock speeds with a moderate overclock that is not reliant on excessive voltage/heat/stress tweaks. In that regard, this whole exercise has proved successful. I also now have enough knowledge to be confident in my settings finally.

With my setup, I could never improve on a 1:1 ratio, I ended up with the following configuration which I will probably reduce by about 5mhz.

HTT = 275mhz, HT multiplier 3x, Memory @ DDR 550 @ 3-4-4-8  2T  & 2.9volts, CPU @ 2750mhz (10x 275mhz) & 1.46volts.

This gave me a system bandwidth of 8808 mb/sec and a memory throughput of just over 7000 mb/sec.


Heat Considerations:

I found my chipset fan/heatsink on the mainboard was a joke, I put my modified P3 cooler back on the NF4 Chip and it's now running very cool finally.

I also found that I can't set my RAM volts any higher than 3v on this board, and it seems to run as well at 2.9 anyway. I actually had a little instability at 3v for some reason.

My Ram came fitted with heatspreaders and was running extremely hot. There was a strip of heat transfer tape between the ram chips and the spreaders. I removed the spreaders and the temps may have decreased slightly, but they were still too hot so I removed the tape from the spreaders and put some heat transfer compound on them instead. This made all the difference and I could now feel the heat immediately transferring to the spreaders. Still quite hot, I placed a case fan beside the mainboard blowing along the RAM's heatspreaders and now the RAM is running very cool indeed.

My CPU temps got up to 58* in the heat of the day during stress testing at max CPU stress (at 2930mhz)  and voltage of 1.6v.  I backed off the voltage and CPU speed a bit and now the CPU rarely gets over 48*

All in all, I'm very happy with my air cooling now, and the CPU is fine with the supplied AMD HSF assembly at this large overclock!

Thanks for all the help Nick N !

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Reply #19 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:07pm
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Your welcome  Cheesy


May I suggest this HSF:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16835106038

The AMD stock HSF is very good.... the one from the link above is 100% solid COPPER and will probably reduce your temps 5-10c. At 1.7vcore under full load I top out at 53c. The 3 blade, deep pitch (like a boat prop) fan is insane and overkill but it comes with an external tower/case dial to set the max RPM, which in my case I have it set to 2600RPM. I modified the power connector so I could plug it directly into the motherboard CPU fan header (it comes designed for a PSU plug) so in Windows, SPEEDFAN controls when it kicks in to 100%. It idles it at 1200RPM... virtually silent either way. The fan can run 6000 RPM and sound like a vacuum cleaner so if you would like to experiment with higher voltage on air-cooling, it will definitely handle the heat, NO PROBLEM. .. Its just insanely loud at that speed.

 
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Reply #20 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 10:47pm

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I'm pretty happy with the CPU setup at the moment, except it would be nice if I could run it at 2.93ghz stable, which at the moment I haven't achieved.

My goal for the RAM was to run it at 283mhz (DDR566).
Right now it's just not quite stable there, this morning I could only get it stable (with everything else pumped up) at 278mhz, it was really hot and steamy today.

I think I'm at about the limit for this rig on air cooling, the ambient temperature is just so high.
 

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Reply #21 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 11:22pm

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Here is my Everest report (condensed) at today's settings......

--------[ Overclock ]-------------------------------------------------------------------
    CPU Properties:
     CPU Type                                          AMD Athlon 64
     CPU Alias                                         San Diego S939
     CPU Stepping                                      SH-E4
     CPUID CPU Name                                    AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+
     CPUID Revision                                    00020F71h

    CPU Speed:
     CPU Clock                                         2830.97 MHz
     CPU Multiplier                                    10.0x
     CPU FSB                                           283.10 MHz  (overclock: 42%)
     Memory Bus                                        283.10 MHz

    CPU Cache:
     L1 Code Cache                                     64 KB  (Parity)
     L1 Data Cache                                     64 KB  (ECC)
     L2 Cache                                          1 MB  (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed)

    Motherboard Properties:
     Motherboard ID                                    10/21/2005-NF-CK804-A8NSLI-B-00
     Motherboard Name                                  Asus A8N-SLI

    Chipset Properties:
     Motherboard Chipset                               nVIDIA nForce4 SLI, AMD Hammer
     Memory Timings                                    3-4-4-8  (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
     Command Rate (CR)                                 2T

    SPD Memory Modules:
     DIMM1: Kingmax MPTC22D-38HT4-HGAH   512 MB PC4000 DDR SDRAM  (3.0-5-5-10 @ 250 MHz)
     DIMM2: Kingmax MPTC22D-38HT4-HGAH   512 MB PC4000 DDR SDRAM  (3.0-5-5-10 @ 250 MHz)


    Graphics Processor Properties:
     Video Adapter                          nVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT PCI-E

--------[ Sensor ]---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Sensor Properties:
     Sensor Type                                       ITE IT8712F  (ISA 290h)
     GPU Sensor Type                                   National LM89  (NV-I2C 4Ch)
     Motherboard Name                                  Asus A8N-E / A8N-SLI Series

    Temperatures:
     Motherboard                                       36 °C  (97 °F)
     CPU                                               37 °C  (99 °F)
     GPU                                               47 °C  (117 °F)
     GPU Ambient                                       33 °C  (91 °F)
     Seagate ST3160021A                                33 °C  (91 °F)

    Cooling Fans:
     CPU                                               3245 RPM
     Chipset                                           4688 RPM
     Chassis                                           2909 RPM

    Voltage Values:
     CPU Core                                          1.49 V

--------[ Motherboard ]-----------------------------------------------------------------

    Motherboard Properties:
     Motherboard ID                                    10/21/2005-NF-CK804-A8NSLI-B-00
     Motherboard Name                                  Asus A8N-SLI

    Front Side Bus Properties:
     Bus Type                                          AMD Hammer
     Real Clock                                        283 MHz
     Effective Clock                                   283 MHz
     HyperTransport Clock                              850 MHz

    Memory Bus Properties:
     Bus Type                                          Dual DDR SDRAM
     Bus Width                                         128-bit
     Real Clock                                        283 MHz (DDR)
     Effective Clock                                   566 MHz
     Bandwidth                                         9060 MB/s

--------[ Memory Read ]-------------------------------------------------------------


Athlon64 (Congo's) 2833 MHz  Asus A8N-SLI        nForce4-SLI       Dual PC4500 DDR   7224 MB/s

P4EE               3733 MHz  MSI P4N Diamond     nForce4-SLI-Intel Dual DDR2-667     7630 MB/s

Athlon64 X2 4800+  2400 MHz  Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe nForce4-SLI       Dual PC3200 DDR   5100 MB/s


--------[ Memory Latency ]-------------------------------------------------------


Athlon64 (congo's) 2833 MHz Asus A8N-SLI    nForce4-SLI       Dual PC4500 DDR 3-4-4-8  42.1 ns

Athlon64 3500+     2200 MHz MSI K8N Neo2    nForce3-Ultra     Dual PC3200 DDR 2-2-2-5  45.6 ns

P4EE               3733 MHz MSI P4N Diamond nForce4-SLI-Intel Dual DDR2-667   4-4-4-15 76.3 ns
 

...Mainboard: Asus P5K-Premium, CPU=Intel E6850 @ x8x450fsb 3.6ghz, RAM: 4gb PC8500 Team Dark, Video: NV8800GT, HDD: 2x1Tb Samsung F3 RAID-0 + 1Tb F3, PSU: Antec 550 Basiq, OS: Win7x64, Display: 24" WS LCD
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Reply #22 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 10:49pm
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I never used Everest so I gave it a whirl on my system....

--------[ Overclock ]-------------------------------------------------------------------
   CPU Properties: 
   CPU Type   AMD Athlon 64 
   CPU Alias   San Diego S939 
   CPU Stepping   SH-E4 
   CPUID CPU Name   AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ 
   CPUID Revision   00020F71h 
   
  CPU Speed: 
   CPU Clock   2750.01 MHz 
   CPU Multiplier   11.0x 
   CPU FSB   250.00 MHz (original: 200 MHz, overclock: 25%) 
   Memory Bus   229.17 MHz 
   
  CPU Cache: 
   L1 Code Cache   64 KB (Parity) 
   L1 Data Cache   64 KB (ECC) 
   L2 Cache   1 MB (On-Die, ECC, Full-Speed) 
   
  Motherboard Properties: 
   Motherboard ID   63-1408-000001-00101111-063005-K8T800P$A0036001_BIOS DATE: 06/30/05 17:34:14 VER: 08.00.09 
   Motherboard Name   Asus A8V Deluxe (5 PCI, 1 AGP, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394) 
   
  Chipset Properties: 
   Motherboard Chipset   VIA K8T800Pro, AMD Hammer 
   Memory Timings   2.5-3-3-5 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS) 
   Command Rate (CR)   1T 
   
  SPD Memory Modules: 
   DIMM1: OCZ OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K   1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-2-5 @ 200 MHz) 
   DIMM2: OCZ OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K   1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (2.0-3-2-5 @ 200 MHz) 
   
  BIOS Properties: 
   System BIOS Date   06/30/05 
   Video BIOS Date   09/21/04 
   DMI BIOS Version   1014.008 
   
  Graphics Processor Properties: 
   Video Adapter   ATI All-in-Wonder X800 
   GPU Code Name   R420 (AGP 8x 1002 / 4A4B, Rev 00) 
   GPU Clock   500 MHz (original: 500 MHz) 
   Memory Clock   500 MHz (original: 500 MHz) 

--------[ Sensor ]---------------------------------------------------------------------

    Sensor Properties: 
   Sensor Type   Winbond W83627THF (ISA 290h) 
   GPU Sensor Type   National LM63 (ATI-I2C 4Ch) 
   Motherboard Name   Asus A8V Series 
   
  Temperatures: 
   Motherboard   23 °C (73 °F) 
   CPU   28 °C (82 °F) 
   GPU   45 °C (113 °F) 
   GPU Ambient   44 °C (111 °F) 
   Maxtor 6Y080L0   40 °C (104 °F) 
   Seagate ST380817AS   34 °C (93 °F) 
   
  Cooling Fans: 
   CPU   1205 RPM 
   Chassis   927 RPM 
   
  Voltage Values: 
   CPU Core   1.33 V 
   +3.3 V   3.31 V 
   +5 V   5.21 V 
   +12 V   12.16 V 


--------[ Motherboard ]-----------------------------------------------------------------

Motherboard Properties: 
   Motherboard ID   63-1408-000001-00101111-063005-K8T800P$A0036001_BIOS DATE: 06/30/05 17:34:14 VER: 08.00.09 
   Motherboard Name   Asus A8V Deluxe 
   
  Front Side Bus Properties: 
   Bus Type   AMD Hammer 
   Real Clock   250 MHz 
   Effective Clock   250 MHz 
   HyperTransport Clock   1000 MHz 
   
  Memory Bus Properties: 
   Bus Type   Dual DDR SDRAM 
   Bus Width   128-bit 
   Real Clock   229 MHz (DDR) 
   Effective Clock   458 MHz 
   Bandwidth   7333 MB/s 


--------[ Memory Read ]-------------------------------------------------------------


Athlon64 (Congo's) 2833 MHz  Asus A8N-SLI   nForce4-SLI  Dual PC4500 DDR   7224 MB/s

Athlon64   (NICK N) 2750 MHz   Asus A8V Deluxe   K8T800Pro   Dual PC3700 DDR   6892 MB/s 

  Pentium EE 840   3200 MHz   Intel D955XBK   i955X   Dual DDR2-667   6100 MB/s 

  Athlon64 3500+   2200 MHz   MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum   nForce3-Ultra   Dual PC3200 DDR   6030 MB/s 

  Athlon64 X2 4800+   2400 MHz   Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe   nForce4-SLI   Dual PC3200 DDR   5100 MB/s


 
--------[ Memory Latency ]-------------------------------------------------------

Athlon64 (NICK N)  2750 MHz   Asus A8V Deluxe   K8T800Pro   Dual PC3700 DDR   2.5-3-3-5   41.4 ns

Athlon64 (congo's) 2833 MHz Asus A8N-SLI    nForce4-SLI  Dual PC4500 DDR 3-4-4-8  42.1 ns

Athlon64 3500+     2200 MHz MSI K8N Neo2    nForce3-Ultra     Dual PC3200 DDR 2-2-2-5  45.6 ns

P4EE     3733 MHz MSI P4N Diamond nForce4-SLI-Intel Dual DDR2-667   4-4-4-15 76.3 ns
 
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Reply #23 - Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:04am

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Awesome Nick!

I've got some new respect for that VIA chipset now, it's performance is right up there. If I back off my FSB to 275mhz, there is really nothing between our 2 rigs.
 

...Mainboard: Asus P5K-Premium, CPU=Intel E6850 @ x8x450fsb 3.6ghz, RAM: 4gb PC8500 Team Dark, Video: NV8800GT, HDD: 2x1Tb Samsung F3 RAID-0 + 1Tb F3, PSU: Antec 550 Basiq, OS: Win7x64, Display: 24" WS LCD
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Reply #24 - Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:14pm
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I was leery about the VIA chipset as well but from the forums I read prior to the purchase it was apparent the A8V Deluxe was not suffering any VIA problems as long as the VIA IDE and AGP drivers were not installed. The A8V Deluxe performs best using the default Microsoft IDE and AGP drivers built into WindowsXP SP2. I tested every BIOS from 1009 through 1016 beta and found 1014 to be the best. I had to laugh a bit about a big buzz in a few O/c forums where so called "experts" were discussing the divider being mathematically incorrect above BIOS 1009. After investigating it I found ASUS fixed the divider math to correctly reflect the A64 system in BIOS’s above 1009. Allot of people, including 'experts' do not understand how the A64 divider works so they think their systems are unstable when using any BIOS above 1009 on the A8V.

 
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Reply #25 - Dec 6th, 2005 at 12:41pm

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OMG!

Poor buggers. I had no such pre-concieved notions and just watched perplexed as the system did all kinds of wierd settings. Hey, as long as it boots right?

Grin

I'm just gonna recommend clockgen from now on, it provides a graphic display of the relationships between the clock speeds, even though it's not clear at first how those are derived.
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Reply #26 - Dec 6th, 2005 at 10:18pm

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Great, glad things are workin out for you. I still feel I am just begining my enevours here. BTW Nick fk Thermaltake Wink
 

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Reply #27 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 3:25pm
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BTW Nick fk Thermaltake Wink




????

I do not understand "fk Thermaltake"

If it means what I think it does, all I can say is I do not trash a company name, only individual products that do not function within the specifications they advertise, or the specifications I require as an engineer for my systems.

The HSF I mentioned above well exceeds my requirements and performs well within the advertised specifications. That does not mean it will work the same for everyone in every ambient/humidity/O/c condition.
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 7th, 2005 at 4:46pm

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Yes it means what you think. I never had a problem with them but when I constantly see them ripping ideas/products off of other companys (Zalman is their latest victim) it bothers me. I also have had 2 cases from them. Both arrived broken. One the front door had hinges broken and shortly fell off.  The other the front panel lighting scheme broke almost immediatly. They do make one good product and that is the Sonic Tower.

Anyway an XP-90 or XP-120 from Thermalright will kill anything Thermaltake has to offer. IMO Thermaltake more about looks then funtionality.
 

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Reply #29 - Dec 8th, 2005 at 11:13am

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all I can say is I do not trash a company name, only individual products that do not function within the specifications they advertise,



Guilty.........  I trashed Dell for years, only to find out that they made fairly competitive notebook PC's.
 

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Reply #30 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 11:49am
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Guilty.........  I trashed Dell for years, only to find out that they made fairly competitive notebook PC's.


They actually make excellent (Intel) gaming rigs as well. The problem with Dell is if you do not know how to order from them, you can get stuck with a motherboard that does not allow for upgrades. Dell has a commercial division which will build any system you want for a reasonable price and provide 100% support for it. You just have to know where to go on their site, which is not the main page area for home users.


 
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Reply #31 - Dec 9th, 2005 at 12:21pm

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Never trashed Dell infact I have refered people to them that don't want a computer built or need a budget computer. Now Gateway on the other hand.... Roll Eyes
 

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