... in British history, nabbed from Guardian Unlimited today!

The British government operated a secret torture centre during the second world war to extract information and confessions from German prisoners, according to official papers which have been unearthed by the Guardian.
More than 3,000 prisoners passed through the centre, where many were systematically beaten, deprived of sleep, forced to stand still for more than 24 hours at a time and threatened with execution or unnecessary surgery.
Some are also alleged to have been starved and subjected to extremes of temperature in specially built showers, while others later complained that they had been threatened with electric shock torture or menaced by interrogators brandishing red-hot pokers.
The centre, which was housed in a row of mansions in one of London's most affluent neighbourhoods, was carefully concealed from the Red Cross, the papers show. It continued to operate for three years after the war, during which time a number of German civilians were also tortured.
A subsequent assessment by MI5, the Security Service, concluded that the commanding officer had been guilty of "clear breaches" of the Geneva convention and that some interrogation methods "completely contradicted" international law.
On at least one occasion, an MI5 officer noted in a newly declassified report, a German prisoner was convicted of war crimes and hanged on the basis of a confession which he had signed after he was, at the very least, "worked on psychologically". A number of people who appeared as prosecution witnesses at war crimes trials are also alleged to have been tortured.
The official papers, discovered in the National Archives, depict the centre as a dark, brutal place which caused great unease among senior British officers. They appear to have turned a blind eye partly because of the usefulness of the information extracted, and partly because the detainees were thought to deserve ill treatment.
Not all the torture centre's secrets have yet emerged, however: the Ministry of Defence is continuing to withhold some of the papers almost 60 years after it was closed down.

Amazing how the more things change the more they stay the same

This doesn't surprise me & other distateful things might well come out once those records are declassified. I heard that some of these records have 'mysteriously' disappeared which doesn't surprise me either.

However, you must appreciate that this is the Guardian which makes it suspect. I don't trust much that I read in the average newspaper & that goes double for the Guardian.

I don't deny that many things have been done by this country over the years that most people would rather not know about. I find it strange that not one of the 3,000 prisoners that were allegedly tortured ever told anyone about it. I would have thought this would have come out long ago if there's any truth to it, even if the Government & MoD strenuously denied it.

Also, come to think of it, I find the timing of the report disgusting. They did not have to publish such a story on Remembrance weekend in another press smear on the British armed forces...

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Must admit I wondered why you're always quoting from that rag.

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I was also wondering who these prisoners were & when they were captured. I doubt very much that any member of the German forces was mistreated. Not only would we almost certainly have found out about it in various memoirs published over the last 60 years but also if this had been discovered or even suspected it would have affected the treatment of our own PoWs in German hands.

Sad and truly shameful, but war is bloody and although one cannot use the other side as an excuse - just look what Hitler was up to. Yet it was not a case of our soldiers die or theres over a quibble of some sort it was The WHOLE nation die or some of their soldiers. Quite frankly, terrible though it was, this war was no ordinary war and millions were dying and it had to be a case of stopping the German invasion of the UK - however it was done. It is all very well for us to look back and say whatever, but Hitler had conquered the whole of Europe and was wanting Britain. It was a certainty that weirdly never happened. It is still amazing to think of and the officials back in Britain despite what they said probably though defeat was imminent.

Oh and for papers my favourites are the Telegraph and the Daily Mail.

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The same here and elswehere: early post-war, their home neighborhoods were, well, basically, not.

Tisnt bad timing at all. Its good to see the awful truth when we live in an era that doesnt full appreciate the horrors of war.
Still, nasty business!


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P.S Its the Guardian after all, socialist newspapers always tint the facts.

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They don't have their belts ??? ? No wonder they're in tears if they're already caught with their pants down ! 8)

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Good thing you added in that "parenthesis" info; a real disciplinary, dropping the student out...quite an impact test that would be, too! 8)

Believe me H if I thought I could get away with dropping a student out of a window I'd do it. There is one class I'd happily introduce to gravity... I still wonder how they could be the fastest out of the 250,000,000 sperms

well, in this days when it is considered cruel torture if a prisoner doesn't get three square meals and fresh sheets to sleep 8 hours such actions sound much more evil than they did back then.

even in peacetime many of the alleged torture methods were perfectly legal at the time, and the threshhold was considerably raised in war.

if anyone spoke up back then, the voices were drowned out by the global outcry against the german war-crimes and the holocaust.
most of the tortured might have put it behind them as memories connected to a war they just wanted to forget.

I'm guilty of first and second degree torture on a regular basis

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Scorpy ...  Trust only ME!  *I* will never lead you astray.  I speak naught but the Truth ... , and no, that jellyfish won't sting you, you are pure of heart  <snort>

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So the Man o War is my friend?  Then war is my friend!

I will serve...  I will serve... I will serve...

Hehe, so I supposed you've been introduced to Set 10 english, then Mark?
I was in set 9 in year 7, but now set 1....some kids couldn't read! Craziness.

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P.S Lets spare a thought for the torturers.

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Well, erm...  I suppose that says it all!

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Yep!

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Exactly. War isn't nice and no one pretends it is...

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[writes letters to UN and EU Human Rights Commision]