Simviation Forum - Instruments

Nov 6^th, 2005 at 3:14pm

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Even more decisions. Heh.

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Reply #1 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 3:39pm

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Hybrid, I would choose all glass, but you need a backup just in case. Those G1000s look real nice though....

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Reply #2 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 3:53pm

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Spitfires don't have glass cockpits! 'Nuff said Wink

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Reply #3 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 3:57pm

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Spitfires don't have glass cockpits! 'Nuff said Wink

How does the pilot see out then Mark?... Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 4:07pm

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Err perspex Chris? Grin

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Reply #5 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 4:21pm

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Call me old-fashioned but I'll go for analogue, just like my wristwatch. You know where you are with them & a glass cockpit just wouldn't look right in a Tiger Moth. Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 4:23pm

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Depends. A 747 would look ancient if it had analogue gauges, a Chipmunk with glass gauges would look too modern. Simple Tongue

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Reply #7 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 4:45pm

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Err perspex Chris? Grin

Pedant.... Roll Eyes

Back on topic, and looking at a future scenario where GA glass cockpits are common, I wonder how a (private) pilot would cope if he had a MFD failure leading to having to do a partial panel instrument scan on standby analogue instruments he may not have looked at/practiced on for a year or so...

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Reply #8 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 4:46pm

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Yep.. Depends on the aircraft.

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Reply #9 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 4:49pm

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Pedant

You started it Grin

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Reply #10 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 5:08pm

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Err perspex Chris? Grin

I thought the Spitfire windscreen was made of armoured glass. They don't come more pedantic than me. Tongue

It just occurred to me that a glass cockpit wouldn't be much use on a Tiger Moth as it has no electrical supply or even a battery.

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Reply #11 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 5:14pm

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I thought the Spitfire windscreen was made of armoured glass. They don't come more pedantic than me. Tongue

I stopped short of mentioning that. A rather thick piece too...

Having said that, what about the Pr Mk XI and XIXs that had on piece windscreens? Glass or perspex?

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Reply #12 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 5:16pm

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Having said that, what about the Pr Mk XI and XIXs that had on piece windscreens? Glass or perspex?

I imagine they would have been moulded perspex like the prototype.

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Reply #13 - Nov 6^th, 2005 at 5:20pm

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I imagine they would have been moulded perspex like the prototype.

Aye, probably safe from most birds at their altitudes...

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Reply #14 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 10:09am

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All analogue. I absolutely despise the idea of putting all glass panels in a GA plane Undecided

. It's a huge waste of money. I guess I should have picked "depends on the aircraft, because they are perfectly suited to airiners and fighter jets, but now I can't retract my vote for some reason.

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Reply #15 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 1:19pm

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Okay a quick history;
PR.IA - standard windscreen, no armoured glass bolted on the outside.
PR.IB and C - rounded single piece perspex screen as per the earlier Spits but minus the inverted U at the front, like a shortened version of the Speed Spitfires one.
PR.XI - rounded single piece perspex screen as per the earlier Spits, different hood from the XI as it didn't have a pressurised cockpit.
PR.X - rounded single piece perspex screen as per the earlier Spits, a Lobelle hood however as it had a pressurised cockpit. This model went into service after the XI... weird! Only 16 ever made!
PR.XIII - Low-level PR, standard rounded single piece perspex screen as per the earlier Spits and armed with four .303 Brownings. Sometimes known as the Type G.
PR.XIX - Griffon engined monster! Again the rounded single piece perspex screen as per the earlier Spits and a Lobelle hood however as it had a pressurised cockpit.
I think that covers all the PR models Wink

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Reply #16 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 1:37pm

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All analogue for me...like my trusty wrist watch with its hands...
The analogue "T" instrument formation has served well over the years... Grin

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Always easier to note the change in conditions at a quick glance...the analogue VSI for example... Wink

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Glass cockpit instruments are all well and good, until the power fails, then you are literally "in the dark"... Shocked

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Paul....and a glass cockpit won't fit in my Flexwing.... Wink

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Reply #17 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 3:41pm

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PR.XI - rounded single piece perspex screen as per the earlier Spits, different hood from the XI as it didn't have a pressurised cockpit.

Except for PL965 and PL983 which both were restored with standard Spit windscreens...

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Reply #18 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 3:48pm

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Da but I was talking about the original models Chris Wink

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Reply #19 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 3:54pm

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Da but I was talking about the original models Chris Wink

Do you think we've deviated enough yet from the original topic! Wink

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Reply #20 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 4:04pm

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Do you think we've deviated enough yet from the original topic! Wink

My beautiful topic turned into a Spitfire discussion. *Grr*

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Reply #21 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 4:07pm

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My beautiful topic turned into a Spitfire discussion. *Grr*

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Reply #22 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 4:10pm

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Just for you Bjorn... Wink

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Reply #23 - Nov 7^th, 2005 at 8:19pm

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I soloed with "steam gauges", and that's what I'm used to.
A GPS and Stormscope are nice things to have for all-weather flying,
but hardly necessary, even in big jets. I love flying my old VC10 in the sim... with the AP on, of course! Grin

I'm still not used to the multifunction panels and HUDs I play with in FS9... I keep expecting them to flicker and die on me. and scrolling numbers just don't click in my 60s-era brain the way needles and dials do.
And hitting flaky LCDs doesn't work half as often as it does with analog instruments...
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Reply #24 - Nov 8^th, 2005 at 11:28am

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Depends on the aircraft, but stylish russian steam stuff just looks good

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Reply #25 - Nov 8^th, 2005 at 2:24pm

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All analogue. I absolutely despise the idea of putting all glass panels in a GA plane Undecided

. It's a huge waste of money. I guess I should have picked "depends on the aircraft, because they are perfectly suited to airiners and fighter jets, but now I can't retract my vote for some reason.

Er.... you now have no vote cast..... Roll Eyes

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Reply #26 - Nov 8^th, 2005 at 2:30pm