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Nov 1^st, 2005 at 2:37am

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This is well worth a read http://www.guardian.co.uk/military/story/0,11816,1605959,00.html thought provoking...

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Reply #1 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:14am

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I believe that the only battle in recorded history, prior to the 20th century, that had more carnage was in Italy between Hannibal's Carthaginian army and the Romans. Even swords don't slash open the body like shrapnel but 'tis a bloody mess, either way. The planes I shoot down in simulation return for the replay; real war truly stinks. Undecided

Not to forget those who were forced to fight in them.

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Reply #2 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 6:08am

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Speaking from personal experience I hope never to see combat again. A senseless waste of young life to satisfy the egos of a few cowardly old men in high office Sad

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Reply #3 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 6:58am

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Terrible indeed. They called WWI the 'War to End All Wars'. It seems nobody learned the lesson. I read somewhere that since the end of WWII there has been only one day without some sort of war going on in this world of ours. Cry

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Reply #4 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 7:17am

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That is probably true Doug Sad

Alas our political masters are now self-centered giant egos rather than people serving their country..... We are in trouble! Viva la revolution Grin

I wonder what would happen if soldiers were sent off to war and then sat down with their so-called enemies and had a chat and a cup of tea rather than fighting... could make things interesting Grin

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Reply #5 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 7:39am

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I wonder what would happen if soldiers were sent off to war and then sat down with their so-called enemies and had a chat and a cup of tea rather than fighting... could make things interesting Grin

This actually happened at the unofficial Christmas Day truce in 1914. The brasshats were not amused as it was obvious the soldiers would soon find out that the enemy were ordinary men just like them & no longer have the inclination to fight each other. Things haven't changed at all since then. If the politicians & generals had to do the fighting there would be very few wars. IMHO

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Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 7:46am

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I find it sad that, these generals you say should be the ones fighting in these wars, are soldiers who themselves have likely served in combat, its sad because that experience hasn't taught them anything it seems. My personal opinions aside, if a few of these politicians were taken into the middle of a real warzone, none of this pre-arranged crap body guards while being 200 miles from the nearest hotspot. Send them in with a platoon to see it first hand. They certainly might change various things.

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Reply #7 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 4:53pm

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You guys sound like we can just all ignore the politicians and go hang out with al qaeda members and drink tea together and swap stories. Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 5:50pm

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You guys sound like we can just all ignore the politicians and go hang out with al qaeda members and drink tea together and swap stories. Roll Eyes

maybe not, but what about the the other statement? would you really think this war would go on if bin laden would have to make his bones by leading an terrorist attack?

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Reply #9 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 5:58pm

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maybe not, but what about the the other statement? would you really think this war would go on if bin laden would have to make his bones by leading an terrorist attack?

Yes. Even though Bin Ladin has been the focal point for years, Al Qaeda has become more than the man, it is an ideology. Madrassas all over the Middle East has been fomenting the ideology of terrorism for a long time. The warning signs were there even before 9/11, just they were ignored. The only difference is the battle had been joined after 9/11.

So, what do we do? Confront it and deal with it, or allow ourselves to be picked off piecemeal like what had been happening prior to 9/11?

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Reply #10 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 9:01pm

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Yes. Even though Bin Ladin has been the focal point for years, Al Qaeda has become more than the man, it is an ideology. Madrassas all over the Middle East has been fomenting the ideology of terrorism for a long time. The warning signs were there even before 9/11, just they were ignored. The only difference is the battle had been joined after 9/11.

well, i think if bin laden would have to carry out the fight himself he would declare the war as concluded (prolly with some BS how it was won)

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Reply #11 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 11:53pm

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I'm truly sorry, but this is getting way, political and way too edgy. We've seen this before, as we've seen war after war.

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P.S This should get it locked before someone gets hurt.

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Reply #12 - Nov 2^nd, 2005 at 4:38am

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Strange how this topic suddenly veered from the horrors of the First World War & the carnage of modern conventional warfare onto terrorism. Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Nov 2^nd, 2005 at 4:40am

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Mark's to blame. Grin

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Reply #14 - Nov 2^nd, 2005 at 5:35am

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Well alas somebody tried to hijack this thread to promote their ignorant view of the world! Calling terrorists soldiers only legitimises them Roll Eyes

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