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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WW II MOVIE STARS? (Read 110 times)
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WW II MOVIE STARS?
Here's where they were during the war.
Hope you find this as informative as I did, be sure to scroll to the bottom.
In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollywonk" the real actors of yester-year loved the United States.
They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War II many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love.
They gave up their wealth, position and fame to become service men & women, many as simple "enlisted men".
This page lists but a few, but from this group of only 18 men came over 70 medals in honor of their valor, spanning from Bronze Stars, Silver Stars, Distinguish Service Cross', Purple Hearts and one Congressional Medal of Honor.
So remember; while the "Entertainers of 2004" have been in all of the news media lately I would like to remind the people of what the entertainers of 1943 were doing, (61 years ago).
Most of these brave men have since passed on.
Be sure to read the VERY last guy....Audie Murphy... A True Texan...
Real Hollywood Heros
Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft on D-Day.
James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day.
Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who was shot down,
held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.
David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British Commandos in Normandy.
James Stewart Entered the Army Air Force as a private and worked his way to the rank of Colonel.
During World War II, Stewart served as a bomber pilot, his service record crediting him with leading more than 20 missions over Germany, and taking part in hundreds of air strikes during his tour of duty.
Stewart earned the Air Medal, the Distinguished Flying Cross, France's Croix de Guerre,
and 7 Battle Stars during World War II.
In peace time, Stewart continued to be an active member of the Air Force as a reservist, reaching the rank of Brigadier General before retiring in the late 1950s.
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Clark Gable (Mega-Movie Star when war broke out) Although he was beyond the draft age at the time the U.S. entered WW II,
Clark Gable enlisted as a private in the AAF on Aug. 12, 1942 at Los Angeles.
He attended the Officers' CandidateSchool at Miami Beach, Fla. and graduated as a second lieutenant on Oct. 28, 1942.
He then attended aerial gunnery school and in Feb. 1943 he was assigned to the 351st Bomb Group at Polebrook where flew operational missions over Europe in B-17s.
Capt. Gable returned to the U.S. in Oct. 1943 and was relieved from active duty as a major on Jun. 12, 1944 at his own request, since he was over-age for combat.
Charlton Heston was an Army Air Corps Sergeant in Kodiak.
Earnest Borgnine was a U. S. Navy Gunners Mate 1935-1945.
Charles Durning was a U. S. Army Ranger at Normandy earning a Silver Star and awarded the Purple Heart.
Charles Bronson was a tail gunner in the Army Air Corps, more specifically on B-29s in the 20th Air Force out of Guam, Tinian, and Saipan
George C. Scott was a decorated U. S. Marine.
Eddie Albert (Green Acres TV) was awarded a Bronze Star for his heroic action as a U. S. Naval officer aiding Marines at the horrific battle on the island of Tarawa in the Pacific Nov. 1943.
Brian Keith served as a U.S. Marine rear gunner in several actions against the Japanese on Rabal in the Pacific.
Lee Marvin was a U.S. Marine on Saipan during the Marianas campaign when he was wounded earning the Purple Heart.
John Russell: In 1942, he enlisted in the Marine Corps where he received a battlefield commission and was wounded and highly decorated for valor at Guadalcanal.
Robert Ryan was a U. S. Marine who served with the O. S. S. in Yugoslavia.
Tyrone Power (an established movie star when Pearl Harbor was bombed) joined the U.S. Marines, was a pilot flying supplies into, and wounded Marines out of, Iwo Jima and Okinawa.
Audie Murphy, little 5'5" tall 110 pound guy from Texas who played cowboy parts?
Most Decorated serviceman of WWII and earned: Medal of Honor, Distinguished Service Cross, 2 Silver Star Medals, Legion of Merit, 2 Bronze Star Medals with "V", 2 Purple Hearts, U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Medal, Good Conduct Medal, 2 Distinguished Unit Emblems, American Campaign Medal, European-African-Middle Eastern Campaign Medal with One Silver Star, Four Bronze Service Stars (representing nine campaigns) and one Bronze Arrowhead (representing assault landing at Sicily and Southern France) World War II Victory Medal Army of Occupation Medal with Germany Clasp, Armed Forces Reserve Medal, Combat Infantry Badge, Marksman Badge with Rifle Bar, Expert Badge with Bayonet Bar, French Fourragere in Colors of the Croix de Guerre, French Legion of Honor, Grade of Chevalier, French Croix de Guerre With Silver Star, French Croix de Guerre with Palm, Medal of Liberated France, Belgian Croix de Guerre 1940 Palm.
So how do you feel the real heroes of the silver screen acted when compared to the hollywonks today who spray out anti-American drivel as they bite the hand that feeds them? Can you imagine these stars of yester-year saying they hate our flag, making anti-war speeches, marching in anti-American parades and saying they hate our president?
I thought not, neither did I!
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I'm pretty sure Doohan landed on Juno Beach with the Canadian corps on D-Day.
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I'm pretty sure Doohan landed on Juno Beach with the Canadian corps on D-Day.
can't say i saw him there
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The professor in the television show “Gilligan’s island” was actor Russell Johnson. Russell was a crew member on a b-25 bomber serving in the pacific during World War 2. He earned the Purple Heart when his bomber was shot down and the crew of the aircraft was actually stranded on an desert island in the Philippines for over a week.
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Quite a few on that list are British I note
Doohan did indeed land with the Canadian forces on D-Day, he also went on to crash an aircraft on the same beech a couple of weeks later and walk away from the wreck
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True true, and its good to see old school values coming through. The last thing you say is a bit hazy though. Those men fought ( and in some cases died) for the values of free speech and the fact that you wouldnt have to go to war again any time soon. It is a bit dodgy to imply that the actors of now are bad because they dont like the President (they dont have to, and they didnt vote for him) and they can argue for not going to war as well, as that right is theirs.
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Well said Andrew and a very valid point
Freedom of speech is something people in most countries enjoy. We should do our best to help spread these freedoms and rights that so many men gave their lives for, however certain recent wars have a very dubious basis...... I can think of half a dozen off the top of my head where good men have given their lives to justify some morons ego.... some stuff never changes huh?
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Didn't a lot of those people on your list become actors AFTER the war?
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I think it would be more fair to say Andrew that they became REALLY famous after the war...
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True true, and its good to see old school values coming through. The last thing you say is a bit hazy though. Those men fought ( and in some cases died) for the values of free speech and the fact that you wouldnt have to go to war again any time soon. It is a bit dodgy to imply that the actors of now are bad because they dont like the President (they dont have to, and they didnt vote for him) and they can argue for not going to war as well, as that right is theirs.
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the whole thing reached me by mail, so the ain't my words...
but even if i would have phrased it different, it about covers my opinion.
many decent people stated their opinion that the united states should stay out of the war in the dawn of WW II, yet after pearl harbor they did what they saw as their duty, to take up arms and end the war soon as possible.
so there is a difference between arguing against war, and insulting people for fighting one. and i think it is my right as well to point out that difference and to state my opinion what i think of them people stating their opinion
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You make a fair point, myshelf....I feel strange, I've only heard of Guiness and Audie Murphy (and that was in a Leo Kessler- Charles Whiting- book)
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many decent people stated their opinion that the united states should stay out of the war in the dawn of WW II, yet after pearl harbor they did what they saw as their duty, to take up arms and end the war soon as possible.
It should be remembered that the U.S. had the very same stance in WW1 and look what happened -- drawn in, anyway. It's very difficult not to be involved when your very constituents have ancestral roots and relatives with all who are already involved. Isolationism just didn't seem to work.. now it's nigh impossible for it to even exist!
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As others have pointed out I find this somewhat contradictory.
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In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollywonk" the real actors of yester-year loved the United States.
They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War II many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love.
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Alec Guinness (Star Wars) operated a British Royal Navy landing craft on D-Day.
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Donald Pleasance (The Great Escape) really was an R. A. F. pilot who was shot down,
held prisoner and tortured by the Germans.
David Niven was a Sandhurst graduate and Lt. Colonel of the British Commandos in Normandy.
These three were British subjects & naturally served in the British forces. I believe that David Niven left a safe haven in Hollywood & risked his future career (& obviously his life) to travel back home at his own expense & volunteer to serve his country. Quite what this has to do with loving the United States is not clear as the US was not at war at that time.
Although both fine actors, Donald Pleasence & Alec Guinness were just starting their stage careers in 1939 & completely unknown in the US until long after WWII was over. It seems to me that they've been included simply to flesh out the list.
PS. Audie Murphy became a film star
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of his war record, not the other way round.
http://www.audiemurphy.com/biograph.htm
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I believe that David Niven left a safe haven in Hollywood & risked his future career (& obviously his life) to travel back home at his own expense & volunteer to serve his country.
Quite correct Doug, he was with Phantom the SAS signals squadron and often in the line of fire. It is worth reading his book "The Moon Is A Balloon" which covers that period of his life
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ok, as i said, i didn't compile the list, but even if some of those ain't american, the principle still stands, they rushed to fight for their country in war, rather than letting others do the fighting and insulting them from a save place.
another thought:
statistically speaking there should be some actors who fought in vietnam, but you'll have a hard time finding details about that. now, why is that so?
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I always find Richard Todd of Dambusters fame to be one of the most remarkable. Little could Todd have known on the morning of June 6th 1944 when he met Maj John Howard at Pegasus Bridge, that 20ish years later he would be playing Maj Howard in the film "The Longest Day"...
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statistically speaking there should be some actors who fought in vietnam
Jane Fonda?
Sorry I just couldn't resist that one. I think Robert Duvall was in the US Army in Vietnam...
Jesse Ventura was a SEAL in 'Nam I believe.
Richard Kline (Army?)
Ken Kercheval (Army?)
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As others have pointed out I find this somewhat contradictory.
If those you mention had been American and steadfast non-compliant, then it would be contradictory. Rather, they make the list: errant, inaccurate, incorrect, amiss, defective, erroneous, flawed, imperfect or wrong (choose as you will). 8)
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If those you mention had been American and steadfast non-compliant, then it would be contradictory. Rather, they make the list: errant, inaccurate, incorrect, amiss, defective, erroneous, flawed, imperfect or wrong (choose as you will). 8)
Whatever.
My point was that the list is flawed in that it contains misleading information, like so many of these things circulating on the Net. I don't have time to check my facts as I usually would but it's quite possible that some of the Americans on that list were drafted rather than volunteer for active service. Most of them weren't film stars or even well known actors at the time. It's also quite possible that there's an equally long (or longer) list of male Hollywood stars that did not serve in WWII or volunteer to do so. I can only speak for the UK but people tended to be far more patriotic in those days & things are completely different now, mainly thanks to those who fought & died for our freedom. With the benefit of hindsight I wonder if the veterans who survived would volunteer so willingly now. The young always think of war as being glamourous when any veteran will tell you that it's anything but that.
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Whatever.
My point was that the list is flawed in that it contains misleading information, like so many of these things circulating on the Net. I don't have time to check my facts as I usually would but it's quite possible that some of the Americans on that list were drafted rather than volunteer for active service. Most of them weren't film stars or even well known actors at the time. It's also quite possible that there's an equally long (or longer) list of male Hollywood stars that did not serve in WWII or volunteer to do so. I can only speak for the UK but people tended to be far more patriotic in those days & things are completely different now, mainly thanks to those who fought & died for our freedom. With the benefit of hindsight I wonder if the veterans who survived would volunteer so willingly now. The young always think of war as being glamourous when any veteran will tell you that it's anything but that.
well, drafted or not is beside the point, them people served.
and yes, you might find a few actors who didn't (and some who volunteered only to be sent back to hollywood because films to boost public morale were considered essential to the war effort) can you get any examples that those people insulted the fighting men?
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another thought:
statistically speaking there should be some actors who fought in vietnam, but you'll have a hard time finding details about that. now, why is that so?
If I'm not mistaken, James Stewart flew atlease on mission over Vietnam in a B-52.
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Whose name is conspicuously missing? John Wayne, who never served in the armed forces at all.
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Whose name is conspicuously missing? John Wayne, who never served in the armed forces at all.
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Although appearing in many war films and frequently being eulogized as an "American hero," Wayne never served in the Armed Forces. However, his friend Bob Hope speculated that Wayne did more for the WWII war effort as an actor, than he ever could on the battlefield. Between 1940, when the military draft was reinstated and the end of World War II in 1945, he remained in Hollywood and made 21 movies. (Among them was Cecil B. DeMille's Reap the Wild Wind (1942), in which he portrayed one of the few less-than-honorable characters in his career.) He was of draft age (34) at the time of Pearl Harbor in 1941, but asked for and received a deferral for family dependency, a classification of 3-A. This was later changed to a deferment in the national interest, 2-A..
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well, drafted or not is beside the point, them people served.
and yes, you might find a few actors who didn't (and some who volunteered only to be sent back to hollywood because films to boost public morale were considered essential to the war effort) can you get any examples that those people insulted the fighting men?
I really don't see the relevance of the argument & my original point still stands. Many of the 18 men on that list weren't film stars at the time they served in the military. Including 3 British subjects on the list is misleading as their loyalty to the USA does not come into the equation. A couple of real Hollywood stars (Clark Gable & James Stewart) served with distinction in WWII. I don't know the feelings of the others but I would expect the American citizens among them to do their bit when the time came. I don't know why the opinions of overpaid actors or celebrities should be taken seriously anyway. As I said before, this seems to be just another piece of misleading propaganda.
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James Doohan ("Scotty" on Star Trek) landed in Normandy with the U. S. Army on D-Day.
James Doohan was Canadian & landed on Juno Beach ("the Canadian Beach") with the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division.
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I really don't see the relevance of the argument & my original point still stands. Many of the 18 men on that list weren't film stars at the time they served in the military. Including 3 British subjects on the list is misleading as their loyalty to the USA does not come into the equation. A couple of real Hollywood stars (Clark Gable & James Stewart) served with distinction in WWII. I don't know the feelings of the others but I would expect the American citizens among them to do their bit when the time came. I don't know why the opinions of overpaid actors or celebrities should be taken seriously anyway. As I said before, this seems to be just another piece of misleading propaganda.
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James Doohan was Canadian & landed on Juno Beach ("the Canadian Beach") with the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division.
is there a monopoly for patriotism held by americans?
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WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WW II MOVIE STARS?
Here's where they were during the war.
Hope you find this as informative as I did, be sure to scroll to the bottom.
In contrast to the ideals, opinions and feelings of today's "Hollywonk" the real actors of yester-year loved the United States.
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Is there a monopoly for patriotism held by americans?
Certainly no monopoly. If you had not specified the U.S. or provided reference to the admiration of the U.S. by those mentioned, there would be less for controversy. Your title simply asked What Happened to WWII Movie Stars; if it were more aptly named WWII
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is there a monopoly for patriotism held by americans?
Not at all. As H points out, your original topic specifies WWII movie stars & their love of the United States.
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..... the real actors of yester-year loved the United States.
They had both class and integrity. With the advent of World War II many of our actors went to fight rather than stand and rant against this country we all love.
They gave up their wealth, position and fame to become service men & women, many as simple "enlisted men".
This implies that they were established movie stars
before
they (voluntarily) served in the forces during WWII & that they had a strong allegiance to the USA. I'm merely pointing out that this is not accurate for the majority of "stars" on the list, therefore the whole argument is flawed. The inclusion of non-American actors indicates 'fleshing out' the list due a shortage of American examples. I don't know who is responsible for it so can't say whether this was deliberate but this type of 'misinformation' is not based on historical fact which is all too common where this sort of thing is concerned. It only takes a quick search to confirm the truth but most people can't be bothered to do that so will believe what they're told.
I neither agree nor disagree with the points of view expressed. This is the History forum & I'm only interested in the facts.
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The professor in the television show “Gilligan’s island” was actor Russell Johnson. Russell was a crew member on a b-25 bomber serving in the pacific during World War 2. He earned the Purple Heart when his bomber was shot down and the crew of the aircraft was actually stranded on an desert island in the Philippines for over a week.
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I always find Richard Todd of Dambusters fame to be one of the most remarkable. Little could Todd have known on the morning of June 6th 1944 when he met Maj John Howard at Pegasus Bridge, that 20ish years later he would be playing Maj Howard in the film "The Longest Day"...
Remarkable indeed. I was amazed actually when I first found out.
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