Simviation Forum - Concorde

Oct 24^th, 2005 at 12:19pm

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Would you believe its last commercial flight was two years ago today...

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Reply #1 - Oct 24^th, 2005 at 12:26pm

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Would you believe its last commercial flight was two years ago today...

has it been that long already?
Wow, can still remember it flying over on its final ever flight into Filton. Well that and every night during the autumn spring and winter nights on its way to heathrow.

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Reply #2 - Oct 24^th, 2005 at 12:33pm

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I can't believe it has been that long Sad

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Reply #3 - Oct 24^th, 2005 at 2:04pm

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Time passes...and passes...and passes...

Well, I don't miss her at all.

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Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2005 at 4:07am

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Time passes...and passes...and passes...
Well, I don't miss her at all.

You were aiming at it? You mean the real reason it isn't flying is because you shot it down with your 88! Angry

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Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2005 at 4:32am

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That was an awesome aircraft, much better than any other supersonic!

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Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2005 at 6:49am

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You were aiming at it? You mean the real reason it isn't flying is because you shot it down with your 88! Angry

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Had a nice clean hit back in 2000. 8) *Chuckle*

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Reply #7 - Oct 27^th, 2005 at 11:54pm

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Wow. I feel old. Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 10:53am

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That was an awesome aircraft, much better than any other supersonic!
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Technological achievements, financial disaster.

BTW, I saw a PBS documentary on the race for a supersonic transport. It was fascinating. There was Boeing, England and France, and Tupolov. Boeing bowed out early due to not being able to forcast an SST to make them money. The Russians engaged in espionage against the French and the British. They were unsuccessful with the British, but got lots of stolen data from the French which amounted to them producing their SST with a striking similarity to the Concord. But the Tupolov was fatally flawed even though it flew first.

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Reply #9 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 11:07am

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Technological achievements, financial disaster.

BTW, I saw a PBS documentary on the race for a supersonic transport. It was fascinating. There was Boeing, England and France, and Tupolov. Boeing bowed out early due to not being able to forcast an SST to make them money. The Russians engaged in espionage against the French and the British. They were unsuccessful with the British, but got lots of stolen data from the French which amounted to them producing their SST with a striking similarity to the Concord. But the Tupolov was fatally flawed even though it flew first.

There are actually accounts that the data Tupelov stole was deliberatly changed. BAE at the time knew they could expect that to happen and as such they had altered plans, that is why things such as the wing shape and engine intake shape are differant.

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Reply #10 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 11:30am

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But the Tupolov was fatally flawed even though it flew first.

Not certain about fatal flaws as I believe they had more than one accident. It came out later that the first highly publicised one at the Paris Air Show was caused by the pilot trying to avoid a collision with French Air Force Mirage spy planes that weren't supposed to be there & flew too close to it. At least one example was purchased by NASA & used for experimental work long after it was officially withdrawn from service. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-062-DFRC.html

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the Concord.

It's spelled with an E & was always referred to as Concorde wih no 'the' prefix.

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Reply #11 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 11:42am

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Hagar,

Heh, I spend 6 months working for NASA at Edwards when I was in college. The agreement was NASA was going to hire me after I graduated, but my wife HATED!!!!!! living in the desert, so I didn't go to work for NASA. But I'll always remember those 6 months for the rest of my life.

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Reply #12 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 11:44am

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It's spelled with an E & was always referred to as Concorde wih no 'the' prefix.

...You're the official simviation spelling police? 8)

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Reply #13 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 11:54am

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Indeed he is. Grin

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Reply #14 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 12:18pm

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...You're the official simviation spelling police? 8)

Official no, but he is quite right. Nothing ticks me off more than people referring to it as "the Concorde"

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Reply #15 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 1:43pm

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...You're the official simviation spelling police? 8)

I'm not quite that arrogant & it really doesn't matter to me. I don't usually correct people's spelling mistakes or I wouldn't have time for anything else. LOL Tongue

I mentioned this as it's an interesting fact which many people might not be aware of. Although there was more than one it was commonly referred to as Concorde.

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Nothing ticks me off more than people referring to it as "the Concorde"

Or the Concord. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 2:02pm

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Official no, but he is quite right. Nothing ticks me off more than people referring to it as "the Concorde"

Heh,

Personally, I get ticked off by things like, say, ummm, injustice, poverty.... but everyone's got their own hot button, I suppose. Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 2:29pm

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Heh,

Personally, I get ticked off by things like, say, ummm, injustice, poverty.... but everyone's got their own hot button, I suppose. Roll Eyes

Don't take this too seriously. Most of what's posted here is intended in a lighthearted manner although it's surprising what can irritate some people. I have to admit that some of these little things like spelling Concorde incorrectly irritate me although I rarely mention it. On the rare occasion that I did someone takes offence & jumps down my throat. Wink

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Reply #18 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 2:34pm

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A LOT of people think that there is only one Concorde for some reason. When ever it comes up in RL conversation (which is rare) I try to nicely inform people of the truth just like any other subject.
Dcunning30: No one meant any offence. Lighten up a bit. Wink

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Reply #19 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 2:53pm

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I see your point. This thread has been hijacked over spelling. I fear I'll give more fodder for spelling corrections in the near future. I live by spelling and grammar checkers. Cry

Anyway, according to that PBS documentary, Concorde became victim of environmental and noise polliution ordinances, which doomed it's feasibility to be economically successful.

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Reply #20 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 3:00pm

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I repeat. No offence was intended & I pointed that out not so much as a spelling mistake but as a matter of interest. If I caused any offence by doing so I sincerely apologise but if I have to add a disclaimer to every single remark I make my already lengthy posts will be twice as long. Shocked

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Anyway, according to that PBS documentary, Concorde became victim of environmental and noise polliution ordinances, which doomed it's feasibility to be economically successful.

Quite correct although Concorde was killed off by politics more than anything else. The pollution issues were a convenient excuse.

PS. You might have noticed that I probably make more typos than anyone else on this forum. I can spell fine & this is due to the fact that I'm possibly the world's worst typist & the reason most of my posts are edited at least once. Roll Eyes

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Reply #21 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 3:03pm

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Speaking of super sonic passenger jets, heres an interesting news article I spotted the other day on the subject- http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/11075p1.xml

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Reply #22 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 6:07pm

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Anyway, according to that PBS documentary, Concorde became victim of environmental and noise polliution ordinances, which doomed it's feasibility to be economically successful.

Certain elements always had it in for Concorde (mentioning no names) whether using the political or "environmental" (watch out for those "cosmic rays"!). But put it this way, the maiden passenger voyage of this awesome transatlantic supersonic airliner was to Bahrain, not JFK, if you get my drift... Wink

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Reply #23 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 2:52am

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I have to admit that some of these little things like spelling ... ...incorrectly irritate me although I rarely mention it. On the rare occasion that I did someone takes offence & jumps down my throat. Wink

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No one meant any offence.

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I repeat. No offence was intended & I pointed that out not so much as a spelling mistake but as a matter of interest. If I caused any offence by doing so I sincerely apologise...PS. You might have noticed that I probably make more typos than anyone else on this forum. I can spell fine & this is due to the fact that I'm possibly the world's worst typist & the reason most of my posts are edited at least once. Roll Eyes

Does this mean that we're off the "fence" and nothing is 'foiled'? No offense intended. Wink

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Reply #24 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 3:25am

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Does this mean that we're off the "fence" and nothing is 'foiled'? No offense intended. Wink

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LOL

The American form of spelling is another thing that irritates me, especially when I have to use it myself for programming my computer. Angry

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Not certain about fatal flaws as I believe they had more than one accident. It came out later that the first highly publicised one at the Paris Air Show was caused by the pilot trying to avoid a collision with French Air Force Mirage spy planes that weren't supposed to be there & flew too close to it. At least one example was purchased by NASA & used for experimental work long after it was officially withdrawn from service. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/FactSheets/FS-062-DFRC.html

The NASA one proved that the LL version (Tu-144D with Tu-160 engines) flew better than the Concorde even though the engine mods completely messed up the throttle system

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Reply #26 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 4:30am

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LOL

The American form of spelling is another thing that irritates me, especially when I have to use it myself for programming my computer. Angry

Two great countries separated by a common language. Roll Eyes

Uh-huh... our flags don't have the same colors even though they do. 8)

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Reply #27 - Nov 26^th, 2005 at 4:26am

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Last flight 2 years today Cry

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Reply #28 - Nov 27^th, 2005 at 8:34pm

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Quite correct although Concorde was killed off by politics more than anything else. The pollution issues were a convenient excuse.

It was 9/11 as I understand it that killed of Concorde, or, more to the point, her most regular paying customers.....

Fear & simple economics did the rest, and what a damn shame. Angry

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Reply #29 - Nov 27^th, 2005 at 8:53pm

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Politics killed Concorde. Not economics. British Airways made nothing but a profit with Concorde right up to the end.

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Reply #30 - Nov 28^th, 2005 at 3:45am

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Politics killed Concorde. Not economics. British Airways made nothing but a profit with Concorde right up to the end.

Basically true but please remember that BA paid £1 each for those aircraft that the management had never wanted. Not much considering the vast amount of development & production costs funded by the British & French taxpayers which could never realistically be recovered. A huge debt was written off when BA was being privatised in the 1980s meaning that the new British Airways plc started off with a clean slate. This was all part of a government deal to keep Concorde in service.

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Reply #31 - Nov 28^th, 2005 at 5:28am

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Basically true but please remember that BA paid £1 each for those aircraft that the management had never wanted. Not much considering the vast amount of development & production costs funded by the British & French taxpayers which could never realistically be recovered. A huge debt was written off when BA was being privatised in the 1980s meaning that the new British Airways plc started off with a clean slate. This was all part of a government deal to keep Concorde in service.

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While the aircraft cost BA £1, the infrastructure round it that BA had to pay for, cost them millions of £'s before they even started.

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Reply #32 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 1:18am

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OK, it's gone and it feels like ages since I was last on the bird......all the way back to Mothers Day weekend, this past May...........
I remember it like it was less than a year ago !

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