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Horse-guard (Read 965 times)
Oct 14
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, 2005 at 5:21am
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I saw a reality show on the daily events in her Majesties Royal Horseguard yesterday. Brilliant stuff... espesially the part where the "modern" guard took a armored car to a test-range, screw up the naviagtion and end up in the middle of a towncenter. The faces of the bystanders were priceless, as was the bruised ego of the commander! lol!
Anyway, my question is this one. The Horseguard at Buckingham-palace look all nice and diciplined, but would they be able to intervene in case of problems. Those ceremonial costumes don't look practical at all. So do they actually guard the palace and queen, or are they just a ceremonial artefact from the past?
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Oct 14
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Well considering the Cavalry used to go to war dressed like that I'm sure they could intervine. You may notice that the Guard that don't have horses are actually equipped with SA80's with fixed bayonets. Which would make them more than capable of intervention.
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Oct 14
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well, look at the pope's guard. they may look funny in their tights, but they're well trained and i have no doubt they got modern weapons as well.
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Oct 14
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I always assumed the "real" guards, the armed ones, patrolled somewhere behind these guys, inside the buildings.
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Oct 14
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The guys in all the garb are purely ceremonial the guys with the guns are the ones you really have to worry about.
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Oct 14
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Beware of what you don't see .... But just in case, I'm not tempted to go against a freakin' horse that weighs more than I do ... (sigh, probably not that much more) and a guy with a sword. The sword may be "blunt" as far as fighting weapons go, but it can still give a good headache!
As for the Swiss guards ... They are well trained, and when in ceremonial garb, they still know how to use those pikes.
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Oct 14
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When people ask if the "Ceremonial" guard are of any practical use I remind myself that empires were built by people using those "archaic" weapons.
That sword may be dull...but in the hands of a man on horseback it is still a deadly weapon.
Just because we are prejudiced in favour of things that go bang doesn't mean that the hiss of striking steel is any less deadly than it ever was!
I drilled once with a ceremonial sword of the Canadian Armed Forces. It was an old drill sword and a little beaten up. The beautiful chrome finish had flaked off in a couple of places and underneath you could see the characteristic pattern of Damascus Steel.
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Oct 14
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I seem to remember one of the ceremonial guards tackliing a man he thought was armed & getting too close to the Queen some time ago. It was in all the papers & he became an instant hero.. This wasn't a Horseguard but one the Guard regiments that wear bearskins. They might be ceremonial but these are members of the regular Army & don't mess around.
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Oct 19
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Quite evidently they'd nail all the tribespeople at Aden.
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That sword may be dull...but in the hands of a man on horseback it is still a deadly weapon.
Just because we are prejudiced in favour of things that go bang doesn't mean that the hiss of striking steel is any less deadly than it ever was!
i'd say them coates have enough room to under them to strap a holster too.
and yes, them people didn't get to sit on the horse or stand beside the gate because they look good in that uniform
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Quite evidently they'd nail all the tribespeople at Aden.
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What's your point?
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Oct 20
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i'd say them coates have enough room to under them to strap a holster too.
and yes, them people didn't get to sit on the horse or stand beside the gate because they look good in that uniform
No firearms. Those brestplates couldn't hide anything and a holster would show. It's amazing to think that that is what the cavalry was wearing when charging the French at Waterloo.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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No firearms. Those brestplates couldn't hide anything and a holster would show. It's amazing to think that that is what the cavalry was wearing when charging the French at Waterloo.
well, the polish cavalry charged against german tanks as recent as 1939, throwing molotov cocktails and using them sabers on infantry
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well, the polish cavalry charged against german tanks as recent as 1939, throwing molotov cocktails and using them sabers on infantry
I know. But they wern't wearing polished breast plates and helmets with plumage.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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I know. But they weren't wearing polished breast plates and helmets with plumage.
Actually, they had
Polish
breasts 8)... but any helmet plumage may have been a result of more explosive technology
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Oct 21
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Actually, they had
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I set you up for that one.
Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
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I personally find the "hahhaah...retarded Poles charging calvalry" point quite offensive. Having read about the incident, I can assure you its not as it sounds.
A cavalry regiment harrassed a German infantry platoon (or whatever) and was really nailing them, but along came some German panzers. The cavalry attacked them too
knowing full well what they were
...choosing deaht to slow the advance.
It is offensive to think that intelligent people such as the Poles would do something like that.
A.
P.S This was meant as a correction [/b] only [/b], not a smackdown.
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Oct 21
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I personally find the "hahhaah...retarded Poles charging calvalry" point quite offensive. Having read about the incident, I can assure you its not as it sounds.
A cavalry regiment harrassed a German infantry platoon (or whatever) and was really nailing them, but along came some German panzers. The cavalry attacked them too
knowing full well what they were
...choosing deaht to slow the advance.
It is offensive to think that intelligent people such as the Poles would do something like that.
A.
P.S This was meant as a correction [/b] only [/b], not a smackdown.
they even had some success fighting tanks with molotov cocktails.
actually they did pretty well, considering their disadvantage in technology and numbers
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I personally find the "hahhaah...retarded Poles charging calvalry" point quite offensive. Having read about the incident, I can assure you its not as it sounds.
A cavalry regiment harrassed a German infantry platoon (or whatever) and was really nailing them, but along came some German panzers. The cavalry attacked them, too,
knowing full well what they were
...choosing death to slow the advance.
It is offensive to think that intelligent people such as the Poles would do something like that. A.
P.S This was meant as a correction
only
, not a smackdown.
???... I just reread the thread and I don't see where
myshelf
or anyone else said anything to the contrary for you to correct. What may be needed is you to better explain yourself. Why is it "offensive" to think they would do something like that: you, yourself, stated that it's a fact that they made the attack (properly, a
counter
attack) -- what else could they do if that was all they had? ???
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Indeed, what you say is a fair point, I probably should have exercised a better word choice- I (at the time) most probably found some sort of humour in a post regarding the fact that the Poles charged the tanks.
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I always assumed the "real" guards, the armed ones, patrolled somewhere behind these guys, inside the buildings.
I imagine that the "real" guard at Her Majesty's places of residence is provided by the Royal Protection Officers of the Police...
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