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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 5:19pm

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Thanks for your replies BUT....


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Am i right in asking that you can't fly because of the drugs you take to stop hayfever,

or is it just hayfever on its own??

I actually dont take any medication for my hayfever (Its not really that bad), i only have organic remedes to help.


Generally (well, in all cases I've known of) you will only be allowed to fly on medication prescribed by a military doctor when ill (if allowed to fly at all). In your case, if you're not having to take any medication that may be to your advantage... Smiley
 
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Reply #16 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 6:29pm

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I've never heard of a hayfever fit bringing down a plane, but I have read many accident reports where even over-the-counter meds were cited as a contributing factor, including antihistamines.
I used to suffer a little every season, and used to take Sudafed and stuff like that- even the non-drowsy formulas seemed to mess up my head. But I started taking nettle pills instead, and maybe it's a coincidence, but I don't get hayfever symptoms any more, even though I rarely take nettle now, just multivitamins.
  On the US FAA medical questionnaire, they do ask about such illnesses as hayfever, but the focus seems to be on what you're taking for it...
 

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Reply #17 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 6:40pm

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Which goes back to the point i made about medicine that makes you drowsy. The stuff I have to take for my migranes would knock an elephant out for a few hours, so the idea of operating machinery/aircraft while under its effects is quite a scarey thought Shocked
 
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Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 7:02pm
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Thanks for your repies BUT....


Am i right in asking that you can't fly because of the drugs you take to stop hayfever,

or is it just hayfever on its own??

I actually dont take any medication for my hayfever (Its not really that bad), i only have organic remedes to help.

Being a paramedic I can teel you this. Hayfever has been know to affect the respiratory system with symptoms that are considered to risky for military. Civy opn the other hand....I don't think is a prob

As for the meds........this is a big problem if it actually states on the bottle that you should not operate machinary. Even meds that are seemingly harmless can have an affect on someone. Example : I picked up a lady the other day who is in her late 40's. She has taken advil ( Ibuprofen) her entire life with no probs. I picked her up with an anaphylactic (alergic) reaction to taking the advil that her airway closed up and I had to drop an Endotracheal Tube(airway) down her just so she could breath. So this is why there are such strict rules about meds and flying. You can take food, meds, anything even bee stings, you can have them your whole life and not have a prob and then one day....BANG!!  I can also tell you that aftere 7 yrs in the Airborne that the military is able to regulate and control the rules MUCH MUCH more closley and strictly then civie land so this is why it seems like such a big deal.

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i only have organic remedes to help.


this is the biggest misconseption known in the medical field. These so called organics can be just as bad and more often than not are actually WORSE than the RX Drugs. Just because it says organic don't be fooled. I have worked codes (CPR) on people because they thought that the organics were not harmfull and potent and natural. Some people even mix them with their own drugs........THIS IS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope it helps

Brent

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Reply #19 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 11:01pm

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I'm the son of the CSO of Johnson & Johnson, one of the largest pharmaceutical companies on the planet.

You do not want to hear what he has to say about organic remedies Roll Eyes Grin

(I always find it funny when he goes off on his rants Cheesy)
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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 11:52pm

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The reason that herbal remedies work (the ones that do anyway) is because they contain the same chemicals as over-the-counter and Rx drugs. For example salicylic acid, which is the active in asprin is found in white willow bark. So if someone drinks some willow bark tea for a headache, its pretty much the same as taking asprin.
 

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Reply #21 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 5:35am

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I'm the son of the CSO of Johnson & Johnson, one of the largest pharmaceutical countries on the planet.

I think you meant to say companies. Freudian slip? Tongue Wink

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You do not want to hear what he has to say about organic remedies Roll Eyes Grin

(I always find it funny when he goes off on his rants Cheesy)

Well, he would say that wouldn't he. Pharmaceuticals is his business after all. Wink
 

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Reply #22 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 10:15am

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i only have organic remedes to help.  



this is the biggest misconseption known in the medical field. These so called organics can be just as bad and more often than not are actually WORSE than the RX Drugs. Just because it says organic don't be fooled. I have worked codes (CPR) on people because they thought that the organics were not harmfull and potent and natural. Some people even mix them with their own drugs........THIS IS BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have FLP Bee propolis 3 times a day during the summer ...

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I dont know what the exact ingredients are because i cant find a jar in the house. It is not entirely designed for hayfever, because it uses bee honey etc... it works as an imunisation. Its not exatcly a drug.

IM confused! Lol
 

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Reply #23 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 10:33am

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one of the largest pharmaceutical countries on the planet

Umm.. err... wasn't supposed to reveal the evil plan... umm... Lips Sealed

Grin Thanks for pointing that out to me Doug, it must have been REALLY late when I posted! Wink

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Well, he would say that wouldn't he. Pharmaceuticals is his business after all. Wink

The difference being, my dad isn't trying to sell me anything-he's seen the reports, worked with them first hand, has an in on everything that goes on in the medical world.  He speaks without bias too, so I'm generally inclined to go along with what he says Wink

I'm not knocking organic stuff, I've never taken it, so therefore I can't claim to know how effective it is.  I was just mentioning what my dad happens to think of it.
 
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Reply #24 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 11:32am

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Umm.. err... wasn't supposed to reveal the evil plan... umm... Lips Sealed

Grin Thanks for pointing that out to me Doug, it must have been REALLY late when I posted! Wink

You're welcome. It gave me a good giggle anyway. Wink

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The difference being, my dad isn't trying to sell me anything-he's seen the reports, worked with them first hand, has an in on everything that goes on in the medical world.  He speaks without bias too, so I'm generally inclined to go along with what he says Wink

You have a good point & you know him better than me. I suspect most people in his business feel the same. Apart from pure honeycomb which I used to take for a bad sinus problem I have no experience of organic or natural remedies. As TacitBlue pointed out, some of these contain the same basic drugs that are used in the more familiar proprietary medicines. Being a natural product it's quite likely that they're less harmful without the side-effects of what is a mixture of different drugs. I'm not a doctor so I really wouldn't know.

In the end it comes down to what works for you & this involves a certain amount of faith in it. I had a sore throat a couple of days ago which I recognised as the symptoms of a bad cold that I get once a year. I took a dose of my favourite proprietary medicine before going to bed & one again the following night. Although I got the sniffles it didn't deveop into a full-blown streaming cold which from past experience it would had I not taken the medicine. It's all cleared up now & I'm back to normal instead of laying in bed for the whole weekend feeling sorry for myself.

I've also discovered that although there are many similar products available, this is the only one that works for me. It has no effect on my daughter who swears by a different one. I think they both contain basically the same ingredients so figure that one out. Wink
 

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Reply #25 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 1:46pm
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The reason that herbal remedies work (the ones that do anyway) is because they contain the same chemicals as over-the-counter and Rx drugs. For example salicylic acid, which is the active in asprin is found in white willow bark. So if someone drinks some willow bark tea for a headache, its pretty much the same as taking asprin.


This is exactly right. The point that allot of people miss is that a gram of said tree bark could be as potent as taking 10 aspirin. (I'm using this a mediforicly as possible) you get my drift...................this is why thee is so much problems with med overdosing. I deal with it all the time.

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Reply #26 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 1:54pm
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[quote]Its not exatcly a drug.



Misconception # 2  IT IS A DRUG. Acording to the Food and Drug admisnistration it is and they make the rules.  If it anywhere says on it that it is a narural helper, will relieve symptoms of (whatever), the fact that it is in a bottle and has ingredients posted on it for the purpose of helping with problems within the human body it is considered a drug. PERIOD. Doesn't matter if it is pure sugar coming from the bees butt. It is still a drug.

I will do some asking with the Doc here, and see what other info I can get.

I would take the bottle in and show it to the flight Dr. who will do your flight medical a see what he says. He will know more than anybody.

But i will see what I can come up with.

Brent
 
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Reply #27 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 2:44pm

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I would take the bottle in and show it to the flight Dr. who will do your flight medical a see what he says. He will know more than anybody.


EGNX has potentially got another 2 or 3 years before he has to see that chap in the situation mentioned, and he'll need to be very careful as to what he says, as a hint of having a problem and they'll jump on it...
 
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Reply #28 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 2:53pm
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EGNX has potentially got another 2 or 3 years before he has to see that chap in the situation mentioned, and he'll need to be very careful as to what he says, as a hint of having a problem and they'll jump on it...


Mmmmmm.....agreed......good point Charlie.

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Reply #29 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 3:08pm

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Cheers guys, you have really helped!  Wink

Im going to the RAF careers centre on monday, so ill ask about it then. But does anyone know if i can still be a airline pilot if a can't fly for the RAF?
 

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